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eDave 09-13-2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 15830989)
Here's the touchdown - the 'quarterback view' is the best one to demonstrate it. Look at about the 36 second mark how he pivots his hips and sets his feet to turn upfield and deliver a blow before the ball gets there. It's brilliant stuff.

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Now again, I'm not saying that Robinson needs to be this good at that sort of thing, but it demonstrates how important those little things can be (and how obscenely good Kelce is at it).

Those were the things he was teaching at his camp. The little stuff.

KChiefs1 09-13-2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 15831311)
Yep. He was the perfect #2 for us but God hated him.


No Super Bowl run in 2019 without him.

If the Chiefs were relying on Hardman in 2019 as the #2 WR…they are ****ed.


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KChiefs1 09-13-2021 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15831321)
This is just bullshit.

Sammy’s best season was in 2019 when he had 673 yards and 3 TD’s on 90 targets.

Mecole’s best season was also 2019 when he had 538 yards and 6 TD’s on 41 targets.

Sure, Sammy didn’t play in 16 games that year (14), but even when he almost did, he wasn’t THAT much more productive than a rookie Hardman, despite more than double the amount of targets.


How did Sammy do in the playoffs in 2019 dumbass? How did Hardman do in the playoffs in 2020?

You’re such a ****ing moron when it comes to Hardman.


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staylor26 09-13-2021 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15831347)
How did Sammy do in the playoffs in 2019 dumbass? How did Hardman do in the playoffs in 2020?

You’re such a ****ing moron when it comes to Hardman.


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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15831282)
You are imagining things. Hardman was every bit as productive as Sammy. Sammy disappeared more often than not, outside of the playoffs.

Learn to ****ing read dumbass.

I’m talking specifically about his regular season production.

Titty Meat 09-13-2021 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15830674)
Holy shit this is ****ing stupid.

Let’s just ignore Humphrey, Bolton, Sneed, Thornhill, Smith, Niang, Hughes etc. and focus on the bad huh?

And if you consider the Clark a “waste” then you have very little respect for the role he played in our SB.

Also, Brown is above average. He’s Erich Fisher with a different skill set and a little bit better of a run blocker.

Mike Hughes? LMAO

Titty Meat 09-13-2021 06:42 PM

Compare the guys Dorsey drafted/signed to those squads vs Veach and whoever the cleveland GM is. Not even close.

staylor26 09-13-2021 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15831437)
Mike Hughes? LMAO

Yes, getting what is essentially a starting nickel corner for a late round pick deserves mention.

KChiefs1 09-13-2021 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15831354)
Learn to ****ing read dumbass.

I’m talking specifically about his regular season production.


Yeah of course because he is shit in the playoffs.

Mecole must give you a helluva reach around when he’s got his cock up your ass.


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Titty Meat 09-13-2021 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15831463)
Yes, getting what is essentially a starting nickel corner for a late round pick deserves mention.

You reach so hard you mentioned Niang who's played exactly 1 game. Compare that to Dorseys picks and then name 1 good first round pick Veach has made.

KChiefs1 09-13-2021 06:58 PM

What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2
 
Wrong thread

staylor26 09-13-2021 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 15831484)
You reach so hard you mentioned Niang who's played exactly 1 game. Compare that to Dorseys picks and then name 1 good first round pick Veach has made.

I was clearly talking about the positives from game 1.

Just to be clear, you are also already making judgement off of Brown after 1 game. What’s the difference?

Also, Veach has literally had just 1 1st round pick.

staylor26 09-13-2021 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 15831480)
Yeah of course because he is shit in the playoffs.

Mecole must give you a helluva reach around when he’s got his cock up your ass.


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My point was simply about Watkin’s production in comparison to Hardman’s in the regular season. It’s been the Kelce and Hill show during the regular season, and will continue to be regardless of who our 3rd option is.

Titty Meat 09-13-2021 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15831573)
I was clearly talking about the positives from game 1.

Just to be clear, you are also already making judgement off of Brown after 1 game. What’s the difference?

Also, Veach has literally had just 1 1st round pick.

Nah I'm hoping Brown will be somewhere between average and really good for conteact purposes

ChiefsFanatic 09-14-2021 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15831282)
You are imagining things. Hardman was every bit as productive as Sammy. Sammy disappeared more often than not, outside of the playoffs.

I have said this a lot, but watching the all-22, defenses just played us differently with Watkins on the field.

So, numbers don't tell the whole story when it comes to the contribution Sammy made to the team.

Even with Hardman's speed, he just doesn't command the attention that Sammy did.

I have defended Hardman because it's his 3rd year, and he didn't have a training camp between his 1st and 2nd year, plus he just wasn't asked to be a bigger part of the offense because we had Sammy.

But, after rewatching the game, I am ready to see Kemp, and even Fountain, getting playing instead of Robinson and Hardman. Because, they really couldn't do any worse than Robinson, Harden, or even Pringle.

How will we even know if they can play on offense if they don't get game reps? I know people have a hard-on for Pringle, but he doesn't really get separation outside of plays when Mahomes scrambles.

I know that Hill and Kelce will always be the 1st, 2nd, and sometimes maybe even the 3rd option, and for very good reason, but we could be even better on offense if we could develop a legitimate WR2.

Or hell, even a legitimate TE2.

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flinchfree 09-14-2021 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 15831282)
You are imagining things. Hardman was every bit as productive as Sammy. Sammy disappeared more often than not, outside of the playoffs.

Patrick Mahomes is on the sideline. Andy asks him, 'Who do you want as an option to throw to after we put Kelce and Hill on the field? Watkins or Mecole?'

Regular season, post season, Super Bowl, take your pick of the game.
Both players healthy, Mahomes gets to choose who he thinks is the better option.

Who do you think Patrick asks for?

Now ask the same question of Kelce and Hill, who do THEY want on the field either getting open or just drawing attention to make their lives easier?

Ask anyone in the league, assuming Watkins is healthy enough to take the field, who they want????

Mecole adds a wrinkle. He's not a real extra receiver out on the field.


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