I think he's already at Schaub's level.

Well, he will have a great chance to prove that this week :D

well, to be fair, Alex Smith has won a playoff game as a starter...

He has never had a season near Schaub level. If he hits 4000 25tds and 65% comp which is an avg Schaub year I will be estatic

You see, in Geno's case, "a win is a win" doesn't apply. Geno must execute FLAWLESS PERFORMANCE while simultaneously countering every offensive penalty with an automatic eleventy-yard gain, culminating in a choco-jizz fountain of touchdowns replete with singing midgets dancing around a 12" Stonehenge in the end zone.

I don't even want to know how much shit I'd be taking if Alex had thrown for 256 yards in a win.

That's a really big game for him.

Spinal Tap respect! :)

Smith converted 1 first down on 3rd down in the second half. 5 attempts were passing.

You would be eating a Shark Sandwich of shit, as would I.

i dont hate Smith but it was obvious Jax is horrible, Smith threw a couple bad passes right in the hands of Jax defenders that would be interceptions by good teams

he should have thrown easily one or two picks

..and there it is.

Really? Shit, I need to make some GIFs.

ROFL

You've been pretty consistently on the anti-Alex Smith side.

I don't hate Smith.

I hate the mediocre republic for which he stands.

the WR...say he throws a screen to JC and he takes it to the house for eighty yards.,,or bowe on a slant....it's stats. big yards aren't only achieved by rainbow bombs...Rich Gannon dinked and dunked his way to the SB...facing anyone other than Gruden, he'd be wearing a ring.

if the criticism is soley based on the 'inabilty" to throw the bomb, then go ahead ans run with it....it's your choice. it's one play with a /50 chance..just like any other play.

Throwing in stride (key to YAC) is not an Alex Smith trait.

He was doing it most of the game.

Right. That's why Bowe had 4 for 30. Correct?

I've seen the guy for 8 years, you have seen him for one game.

Thanks. I'm not sure if he is playing dumb or actually is.

I've followed the 49ers since I lived there for the majority of the '80s. I've seen as much of Alex Smith as you have. I'm guessing you weren't even born then judging by your posts.

born in 86.

So I've followed the 49ers closely since before you were born. You still want to lecture me on how much more you know about them than me?

As usual, it's not about age, but brain capacity. I have you beat in that fairly easily judging by your posts.

Please, you are clueless about football.

awwwwwwwwww...LMAO...

pretty sure bowe said otherwise.

Weren't you one of the turds saying Andy Reid loves short passes?

I'm clueless?

Bowe claimed the offense was "bombs over baghdad" before the year.

one game down.

we shall see...

What? More truth?
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No, just bad threads like this one.

Well, you come off like you are rooting against the guy. Like you want him to suck so we can move on to the next guy. My point is that if that's the case, it's not going to happen for a long time.

It's about time for me to move on from this thread. I don't see the point.

GENO SMITH AND ALEX SMITH CAN'T BE GOOD AT THE SAME TIME!!!

LMAO What a shitty day to pick Schaub as a comparison. 325 yards leads his team back from 21 down and 3 TD's.

Once Alex shows he can do that then I'm on board.

Most teams don't but the Chiefs did. Even though the score was 21-2 at the half and Jax hadn't crossed mid-field, the Chiefs ran 17 pass plays to 9 run plays (not counting kneel downs) in the second half. Even after Hali's TD, the Chiefs ran more pass plays than run plays (5-2). They were obviously still working on the passing game. Even though they didn't have to "air it out", it seems like even a short passing game should have kept them on the field longer.

sure dude. whatever you say...LMAO

Your quarterback might be a game manager if... the phrase "it's about Ws and Ls, not stats" is consistently used to defend him.

I keep seeing people say that. I find it kind of amusing.

Focus on Alex Smith's ability to win games throwing for big passing yards is not about fantasy football (for me). It's not about wanting to see a Chiefs QB throw for 4000 yards or anything or even throw 35 TD passes (for me).

It's about what has to surround a QB who doesn't throw for big passing yards to 1) make the playoffs; 2) win playoff games; 3) win it all. The supporting cast must be great. You have to have no flaws outside the QB spot, and some serious strengths. Your odds are much worse than with a QB who can put up huge passing numbers when needed.

I HOPE Smith ends up showing that ability. It would be good for my team. His history just means I'll need to see it to believe it.

If he doesn't show that ability, hopefully he's just a stop-gap and they move on after next year.

Spot on.

And when the Chiefs lose 28-17 it will be because the defense couldn't stop anyone, or someone fumbled, or there was a ST return for a TD. Those things happen in games, but at some point you need your QB to be able to overcome mistakes that may or may not be his own fault. At some points you are going are going to need a Matt Schaub type game from last night. You are going to need over 300 yards, you are going to need 3 TD passes.

I agree.


However, I do take solace in that he's a). Never been in an offense like this
B). Never been coached by an offensive minded guy like Andy Reid

But again, until he does it, I assume he can't do it.

It was a breath if fresh air that after his performance Sunday our head coach pretty much came out and said it wasn't good enough.

That appears to be fair enough.

I am sure you don't wish to read it or believe it... but I'll say it anyway. It really comes down to the competence of the OL sustaining blocks, picking up blitzes, and receivers downfield.

If early on, the receivers are getting open and catching the deeper ones, you will likely see more of them coming. Same for the OL holding their blocks, picking up blitzes, etc.

If they can't do well enough to earn the deep passes, then just like usual... Smith will go back to what does work. First pass of the game was a nice, deeper pass to Fasano... and he short/armed +/or kept his feet on the ground, when a very slight hop/jump would have been plenty sufficient to make the catch. He does that? and he will likely see no more attempts like that.

Now, there IS a small chance that I am wrong here... and that Smith just really hates throwing deep. But all through his career, he really hasn't had the OL pass pro or the quality deep receivers to make deep passing a real priority. His best target was VD on seams and wheel routes, and he connected very well on those.

alllllllll by himself....LMAO

have fun regurgitating the same shit today...

So you admit that he isn't likely to be able to do what Schaub did? At least we agree on that. Sounds like you already have those excuses ready.

I would put him in the same class as Schaub. They go about things differently, but the end result is the same.

I don't think either is a guy who can by himself carry a team to a sb win, but I don't think there are many of those guys playing qb in the league right now.

SCHAUB didn't do it.. the offense did.

sounds like you wake up negative. run with it.

This is comparison is getting even more stupid by the minute.


Matt Schaub's best year 4770 yards, 29 TD's/15INT's, 68% completions, 98.6 QB rating

Alex Smith 3144 Yards, 17Td's/5 INT's, 61% completions, 90.7 QB rating.


If someone doesn't see a difference here I'm sorry. That's a stupid that can't be fixed.

I wake up realistic. You obviously wake up in your red and gold spandex.

Stick with that company line you got there. QB's are so reliant on everyone else and so irrelevant that good ones only make 20-25 million a year. Obviously the league feels they aren't that important. LMAO

Your opinion is noted and discarded.

:clap:

He brought the 49ers from behind in the NFCC. A fumble ruined that for them, but you can't (even though you have tried) pin that on Smith. He has proven he can take a team from behind in big games.

RAGE!

The fight against Homerism and True Fandom marches on!

Reporting for duty, sir!

From what defict was that? Are you ACTUALLY trying to compare what Schaub did to that title game?

There is a difference between True Fandom/Homerism and understanding reality.

Bitch and moan, make more banners, and figure out the formulas for success all you want but, Clark's done catering to us for a long while.

Reid, Dorsey, Smith, and Daniels are here for at least the next three years.

The question is whether Smith can do what Schaub did last night, and help throw his team out of a 28-7 hole after halftime. Because he's going to have to at some point. You can't manage your way to 20-17 wins every week, especially against playoff-caliber competition. Sometimes you need that 300 yard, 3 TD game.

serious question, but I'd ask how long Schaub has been in the same system? I'll say, he does have some excellent targets to get the ball to.. and generally a very good run game to keep defenses on their toes.

"NINERS 24, EAGLES 23

OCT. 2, 2011

THE SITUATION: This comeback began after the Eagles took a 23-3 lead with 9:30 left in the third quarter. In the next six minutes and 32 seconds, Smith competed 6 of 6 passes for 138 yards, tossing a 30-yard touchdown to Joshua Morgan and a 9-yarder to Davis. Yes, Montana-esque. Trailing 23-17 with 6:28 left, Smith completed 3 of 4 passes for 13 yards on an eight-play, 77-yard march capped by Frank Gore’s 12-yard run with 3:00 left."


http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2011/12...s-joe-vs-alex/

Smith has actually done it the same number of times as Schaub when you include last night

The both have 10 fourth quarter comebacks and 12 game winning drives.

They both have more than Aaron Rogers.

^ nevermind... checked it.

Schaub has been in a WCO for all of his last 6 seasons with Houston... and had the same OC for the last 4 years,

That 2011 philly contest would be an interesting game to look at from the standpoint of QBR. ESPN lists it as a 35.1 (average being 50), despite his traditional rating being 112.1. Which, according to their description of the metric, means his play was not actually that great a contribution towards the win. I didn't see the game, so I can't really speak about it beyond that.

BOOM!

You had me interested until I got to this LMAO

Holy shit! I would have also thought he would have cracked 300 yards in that game. Guess not.

In that last drive he threw 4 times and yes the one incomplete pass was deep. The running plays were breaking off 10+ yards a pop. I don't remember if he was changing the plays to running based on his pre-snap reads.

The previous two drives he went to the air a lot.

I wasn't aware that throwing for 300 yards was prerequisite for coming back or winning a game? You also have to remember that they were down 23-3....that basically means they were stuffed for an entire half.

If I remember correctly, the Eagles were 1-2 going into that game. They had just lost games to the Giants and the Falcons, both considered elite teams. All expectations were that they'd mop the floor with the 9ers. After the loss they had a freefall season. It just got worse and worse. So, I think his rating was based upon how badly they did.

[QUOTE=Jakemall;9959825]"NINERS 24, EAGLES 23

OCT. 2, 2011

THE SITUATION: This comeback began after the Eagles took a 23-3 lead with 9:30 left in the third quarter. In the next six minutes and 32 seconds, Smith competed 6 of 6 passes for 138 yards, tossing a 30-yard touchdown to Joshua Morgan and a 9-yarder to Davis. Yes, Montana-esque. Trailing 23-17 with 6:28 left, Smith completed 3 of 4 passes for 13 yards on an eight-play, 77-yard march capped by Frank Gore’s 12-yard run with 3:00 left."




i remember justin smith making the big play at the end of the game with the strip fumble to seal the win.

It's not. It's just odd that Alice seems alergic to them even when circumstances dictates that he should have had massive yardage accumlated.

I was at the game so I could see the defensive coverage deep. In the first half the Jags were covering the deep pass, but in the second half they were pulling up the safeties and stacking the line leaving Avery with one on one down field every play. I assume the Chiefs did not take advantage of the down field coverage because they were trying to run the clock and keep Smith from getting hit. Makes sense with the lead and the way the defense was dominating.

It will be interesting to see what happens next week given both the Chiefs and Cowboys will dissect that game film. If the Cowboys stack the line from the beginning the Chiefs are going to have to take shots down field.

Can't disagree about the yardage. He's put on a few shows...but very few. He does seem to be clutch though..which in my opinion is more important. When his back is against the wall, he comes out swinging..and with this KC defense, that just might be a perfect fit short of having a Rogers, Brees, Manning, Brady on the team.

I wouldn't expect many 300 yard games from him.

That's a very under rated trait to have in a QB. We'll have to see it here and I hope we do. I still think it's foolish to think being able to whip out 350-400 yards through the air isn't an asset for a QB. I'm sure you of all people can appreciate that now after Sunday.

I'll be hoping they do, in that case. Would love for Smith to hit a handful of deep ones, so people can relax and stop :deevee: .

The last time Kaep threw for 300 yards it resulted in a lost superbowl. I've heard it said that YPA is probably a better indicator of how well a QB is playing than total yards. It's fun to watch, but I think if you broke it down statistically, throwing 300+ yards probably has very little correlation with wins. That said, I agree that being ABLE to whip out big passing games is always an asset.

As a 9er fan I can say that this is the best receiving core the 9ers have had since Owens left. I'm not trying to suggest that Alex could or could not have done it also. I think Kaep is benefiting what is the most offensive talent the team has had since the glory years. I also think that Kaep might be the most talented QB in the NFL that won't be retiring in the next few years.

actually the last time kapernick threw for over 300 they beat green bay.

That was this time. The last time was in the superbowl :harumph:

What's more is that he has only done it twice. Of course the response to that is that he's only had a half season to do it in and Alex has had 8 years.

update the OP with weekly results:

GENO SMITH - 1-0
GP....COMP....ATT....PERC....YDS....AVG....TD...LONG....INT....FUM....QBR....RAT
1.......24........38......63.2.....256....6.74....1......26........1.......1........48.5...80.6

ALEX SMITH - 1-0
GP....COMP....ATT....PERC....YDS....AVG....TD...LONG....INT....FUM....QBR....RAT
1.......21........34......61.8.....173....5.09.....2.....26.......0.......0.......66.3...94.4

Geno is gonna get that work on Thursday.

That's going to be tough. They will have to put up some points and I think basically the Jets/Jags offense are about same outside the QB's. Not much to work with. They'll need at least 21.

"Get that work" means he's gonna lose.

No matter what race you are, I'm sure you feel super white right now.

LMAO Yes, I know. Didn't my response indicate that I know what you were saying? Tough game, he doesn't have shit to work with, need a lot of points to win blah blah blah.

But yes "Get that work" is a phrase I wouldn't use and would laugh at anyone that did.

I have no idea. LOL. :jester:

My boyz Genoz gonnas get twerked Tursday!

There, I translated. That means I roughly agree.