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RunKC 03-20-2024 12:14 PM
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https://i.imgur.com/qqmyO6c.png


What a great stat for finding good quarterbacks. https://imgur.com/qqmyO6c<iframe scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.2f70fb173b9000da126c79afe2098f02.html?origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiefsplanet.com" title="Twitter settings iframe" style="display: none;"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: medium;" title="Twitter analytics iframe"></iframe><iframe scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.2f70fb173b9000da126c79afe2098f02.html?origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiefsplanet.com" title="Twitter settings iframe" style="display: none;"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: medium;" title="Twitter analytics iframe"></iframe><iframe scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets/widget_iframe.2f70fb173b9000da126c79afe2098f02.html?origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chiefsplanet.com" title="Twitter settings iframe" style="display: none;"></iframe><iframe id="rufous-sandbox" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" allowfullscreen="true" style="position: absolute; visibility: hidden; display: none; width: 0px; height: 0px; padding: 0px; border: medium;" title="Twitter analytics iframe"></iframe>
Only the beginning when it comes to Herbert.

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2. Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers

OFF 10 | DST 30 | Betrayal Index: -20

Only twice this season has an NFL team lost when producing at least 16 EPA on offense. The Chargers were that team both times, first against the Dolphins, then against the Lions. Historically bad DST games against Detroit, Miami and Kansas City stand out for the Chargers this season. That is why Herbert remains about where he was when this index debuted before last season, among the most betrayed quarterbacks in the league.
https://theathletic.com/5099190/2023...herbert-purdy/

Mecca 03-20-2024 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17451276)
His coaches were Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley. Let’s see if that improves now that he has a real HC coaching him.

The work Harbaugh has done with QB’s is notable (CC Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick).
He also just lost his pair of high end WRs he's always had.

Megatron96 03-20-2024 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17451261)
Yet he never won anything, Herbert has for the most part been a stat monster without winning anything.


He played for one of the most dysfunctional teams/organizations in NFL history. Might've had some little bit to do with it, Idk.

staylor26 03-20-2024 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17451282)
Only the beginning when it comes to Herbert.



https://theathletic.com/5099190/2023...herbert-purdy/
So you're just going to ignore the fact that the record you posted isn't even accurate?

RunKC 03-20-2024 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17451285)
He played for one of the most dysfunctional teams/organizations in NFL history. Might've had some little bit to do with it, Idk.
Nobody remembers the QB that had good stats and had a 30-29 record with Chargers and then everything changed when he went to a really good offensive coach.

Sassy Squatch 03-20-2024 12:29 PM
LMAO bruh. All you have to do is say you got bamboozled by fake stats on Twitter. You don't have to double triple and quadruple downm

Mecca 03-20-2024 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17451308)
Nobody remembers the QB that had good stats and had a 30-29 record with Chargers and then everything changed when he went to a really good offensive coach.
Bro Jim Harbaugh is not the offensive mastermind Sean Payton was at that time, dude hired Greg ****ing Roman.

tredadda 03-20-2024 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17451261)
Yet he never won anything, Herbert has for the most part been a stat monster without winning anything.
Stats/records based on certain criteria aside, who honestly trusts Herbert to lead a game winning drive when it actually matters? Herbert gets more excuses made for why he can’t get it done than almost any other QB in the league.

staylor26 03-20-2024 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17451314)
LMAO bruh. All you have to do is say you got bamboozled by fake stats on Twitter. You don't have to double triple and quadruple downm
He refuses to address it LMAO

ToxSocks 03-20-2024 12:36 PM
Herbert is a very talented QB and throws one of the best balls in the league. I dont think his talent should be questioned.

Saying he doesn't have the "clutch gene" is totally valid as he has yet to show that he can make plays necessary when the game is on the line.

I do think that with a better organization/coaching staff he could've had a better carrier up to this point.

And i don't agree that Harbaugh is gonna be the guy to turn it around for him/them.

tredadda 03-20-2024 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17451283)
He also just lost his pair of high end WRs he's always had.
And high scoring utility back.

tredadda 03-20-2024 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ModSocks (Post 17451337)
Herbert is a very talented QB and throws one of the best balls in the league. I dont think his talent should be questioned.

Saying he doesn't have the "clutch gene" is totally valid as he has yet to show that he can make plays necessary when the game is on the line.

I do think that with a better organization/coaching staff he could've had a better carrier up to this point.

And i don't agree that Harbaugh is gonna be the guy to turn it around for him/them.
Remember when he couldn’t hold a lead in the playoffs vs Jacksonville? Yup, the OC was blamed. They canned him and replaced him with Moore who allowed for Dak to put up monster numbers. Yet again Herbert couldn’t get it done. Curious how many more times Herbert will get a pass for not getting it done when it matters.

staylor26 03-20-2024 12:43 PM
Yea, losing Williams is one thing, they've always been much better when he's healthy.

Losing Allen too?

That's similar to Pat losing Kelce, with nobody like Rice or Hollywood already on the roster.

Sure, they could draft one if they stay at 5, but I don't think they do.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-20-2024 12:43 PM
How many times was he "betrayed" by turnovers and failed drives in inopportune times?

Pasta Little Brioni 03-20-2024 12:44 PM
Dude threw a mean YOLO ball to Williams for sure


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