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Chiefs Pantalones 03-09-2016 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12122053)
There's no way Self is conceding a game to anybody, let alone Weber and KSU. He'll play all the starters big minutes as usual.

I think we play our starters still, but Self has said he's not going to drive them into the ground to win a tournament that won't effect our seeding.

Kansas coach Bill Self has used all the motivational ploys before.

When his team has tied for a regular-season conference crown, he’s told his players that the Big 12 Tournament was the tiebreaker. When his team has won it outright, he’s talked about it being time to validate what had already occurred.

The coach admits it might be a little bit different this time as No. 1 KU prepares to play either Kansas State or Oklahoma State around 2 p.m. in Thursday’s quarterfinals at the Sprint Center.

With a 27-4 record, Big 12 championship and top rating in nearly every ranking system, the Jayhawks have all but assured themselves a No. 1 seed in next week’s NCAA Tournament.

And that could change how Self approaches this week’s Big 12 tourney.


“Is it as important as the following week? No. Will we play injured guys to try to win? Absolutely not,” Self said. “But it is something that our guys will take seriously and know how important it is.”

It’s an interesting dilemma for sure.

Three years ago, KU researchers Matt Andre and Andrew Fry — with help from strength coach Andrea Hudy — conducted a study on KU basketball players’ stress levels throughout the season by testing the Jayhawks’ saliva. One interesting finding was that KU players’ testosterone-to-cortisol levels plummeted just before the NCAA Tournament — a potential sign that fatigue and stress were keeping the Jayhawks from their peak performance.

Could limiting minutes potentially help with that? Andre believed it was possible, and discussions about the benefits of additional rest also are circulating at the NBA level.


Golden State coach Steve Kerr limited the playing time of stars such as Stephen Curry late in last year’s regular season before a championship run, and he’s already promised to do the same this season, even if it costs the Warriors a chance at beating the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls’ record of 72 victories.

Self was asked Monday about how his plan for healthy players in the upcoming Big 12 Tournament.

“I’m not going to say we’re cutting minutes back. I’m not going to say that,” Self said. “But the ideal role if we could be successful would be to certainly not tax our guys 100 percent.”

Though some might argue teams need positive momentum heading into the NCAA Tournament, Self wouldn’t be among that group. He cites the example of the 2011-12 season when Baylor beat KU 81-72 in the Big 12 semifinals. After the loss, KU won five in a row and reached the national championship game.


“I don’t know if there’s a true correlation between the appearance of being hot at the end,” Self said, “and actually that extending.”

So Self is left with a tournament in his team’s backyard that doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things. He’s also coached in it enough to know that winning is a lot more fun than losing early.

“If you get to the finals, then you’ve got to win,” Self said. “If you don’t get to the finals and win, you’re almost better off not getting to the finals (to) get an extra day of rest.”

Self understands that a championship game appearance Saturday creates some challenges. The team takes off Sunday, though that’s a stressful day because it’s when the brackets are released. That leaves Monday and Tuesday as the only true preparation days for the NCAA Tournament (Wednesday is a media availability and open practice day at the arena site), and following a three-games-in-three-days stretch, some coaches elect to give their players Monday off as well.

That doesn’t allow much time to recover and prepare for the most important two games of the season that week.

Which brings Self back to the topic of this weekend’s Big 12 Tournament. In a perfect world? Self says he’d love to win it without wearing his players out.

“I will not take away the importance of it to our team,” Self added, “but deep down in my core, I know it’s not as important as being prepared to play the next week.”

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Mr. Plow 03-09-2016 05:19 PM

I could see Self playing the first game with a normal rotation then the second game shifting more minutes away from the starters to the bench.

The Big 12 tourney just isn't important. Means absolutely nothing.

BigRedChief 03-09-2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 12122151)
I could see Self playing the first game with a normal rotation then the second game shifting more minutes away from the starters to the bench.

The Big 12 tourney just isn't important. Means absolutely nothing.

You think they could lose the #1 overall seed if they lose in the conference tourney?

Mr. Plow 03-09-2016 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 12122175)
You think they could lose the #1 overall seed if they lose in the conference tourney?

Anything is possible, but no. Especially if they win the first one.

saphojunkie 03-09-2016 05:37 PM

They're going to be the 1 seed in the Midwest and play in Des Moines. Period.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-09-2016 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 12122175)
You think they could lose the #1 overall seed if they lose in the conference tourney?

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Lunardi reiterated that there's zero chance KU doesn't end up with the #1 overall seed Sunday. Great opportunity to get the bench some minutes and more experience. Stay healthy.
They can lose tomorrow and still get it. No team comes close to touching our resume and won't.

O.city 03-09-2016 05:46 PM

Players play.

Go win the ****ing tournament in KC. Then go with the next one.

Mr. Plow 03-09-2016 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12122226)
They're going to be the 1 seed in the Midwest and play in Des Moines. Period.

Which is good and bad. Good for KU. Bad for me. I'm traveling to Phoenix (driving) on Thursday and at a wedding on Saturday.

KC_Connection 03-09-2016 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 12122116)
I think we play our starters still, but Self has said he's not going to drive them into the ground to win a tournament that won't effect our seeding.

Self can say what he wants now, but he's not going to sit by and watch KU lose a game without the starters in. Never has and never will. He's far too competitive for that.

If the game is at all close, I don't anticipate much of a difference in their minutes tomorrow.

Coach 03-09-2016 10:29 PM

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chiefsfan987 03-09-2016 10:45 PM

Tech doesn't belong in the NCAA tournament after that opening round loss imo.

noa 03-09-2016 11:49 PM

RIP Clyde Lovellette
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TambaBerry 03-10-2016 12:59 AM

Big 12 coach of the year

Bambi 03-10-2016 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 12122151)
I could see Self playing the first game with a normal rotation then the second game shifting more minutes away from the starters to the bench.

The Big 12 tourney just isn't important. Means absolutely nothing.

Except for the fact that it crowns the champion of the league and determines the Big 12's bid to the NCAA Tournament you'd be absolutely right.

Mr. Plow 03-10-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambi (Post 12123783)
Except for the fact that it crowns the champion of the league and determines the Big 12's bid to the NCAA Tournament you'd be absolutely right.

Oh yea....I forgot it crowning the Big 12 Champion....

LMAO


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