Well, they went 12-4 during the regular season, he threw for more than 3,300 yards and was sacked 46 times.

Their offensive line is worse than the Chiefs. By far.

In 4 years, I've only seen him fail once in a big game, and that was in the 2007 playoffs against Jacksonville.

And all he did in that game is rally the team from an 18 point deficit with 20 minutes left to play.

Otherwise, all the kid does is win when it matters most.

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So, yes?

29th in yards per carry.

Their defense is the straw that stirs the drink. I don't see how that can be denied when the rest of the world sees it. They win a lot of low-scoring games. I agree about drafting Sanchez, but you're stretching the argument too far.

I guess you're in love with the prettiest girl at the dance.

Good for you.

I accidentally cut off 2008 but the rest are true, my bad.
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Uh, yeah. Thought it was pretty obvious before I even posted.

What argument?

1.. The Chiefs need a franchise QB

2. Ben Rothlisberger isn't worthy of his Super Bowl rings and anyone could have won with their defense?

Pittsburgh's defense has been in the Top Ten for more than a decade. They didn't win jackshit until they drafted Ben.

This should not even be a discussion point.

No, I'm actually very surprised about that. You usually seem to base things more on individual play when evaluating players, and typically I agree with your assessments more than anyone else on here.

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Last 6 years.

So top 10 rushing teams in 4 of 5 last years and both were on Ben?

My bad on 2008.

23 was the 49ers.

22 was the Steelers.

From NFL.com.

So who would you pick between Brady or Ben?

But let me say a few things. First, there seems to be an obsession with the idea that the spread is a dead option. And yet, the Steelers and the Patriots have taken teams to the Super Bowl the last two seasons using a spread offensive look. If it's such a gimmick, then why are the best two teams in the NFL using it so much? But secondly, I think there's this impression that Thigpen was running such an easy offense--no offense on the NFL is easy to run, and it's not as if the entire offense was a quick hitch route offense every single play. I don't see why we are discounting the fact that maybe if you can run the spread offense as a base, that it's destined for failure. Actually, it's one of the hottest offenses in the NFL right now (at least, variations of the offense are).

Because on the same token, do you think Joe Flacco could have replicated Thigpen's success when you take away a top 5 running game and a top 5 defense? I don't think you would. And while Brady ran under center his rookie season, let's not forget that his offense revolved around very quick patterns and quick strikes, and that the Pats were the team that really brought the idea of spreading defenses out with 4-5 receivers onto the map.

I agree that Thigpen needs to learn to run under center one way or another. But I'm not at all convinced that as long as they keep adding wrinkles to the spread, that it couldn't be an effective base offense. Even if you bring in a guy like Sanchez, who would probably be outstanding in the offense given his ability to move around in the pocket.