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Brock 03-13-2013 11:26 PM

This will always be a loser franchise. Always and forever.

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496219)
This leads me to a few conclusions:

1) Clark Hunt doesn't really care about winning big
2) This regime is overly consumed with winning now than building a consistent winner.

I think those are quite fair conclusions.

That said, how do you propose he sells tickets in 2013 by asking his fans to be even more patient than they've been since 2005?

DJ's left nut 03-13-2013 11:27 PM

Okay, I know everyone hates this trade and blah blah - but I've been gobbling up as much video from Smith as I can find and I think he and Bowe will beast.

I know, it just sounds homerish as hell, but one thing I've noticed is that Smith's timing on hitch routes, comebacks, outs and crossing routes is really outstanding, as is his ability to let a throw go just as a DB turns his hips or puts his back to the play.

He makes a ton of throws that are just impeccably timed into pretty small windows. No, they're not 90 yards downfield, but they're great YAC throws. His yds/attempt are so good because the absolute instant a guy breaks open, the ball's there and right where it should be. It's those routes that Bowe runs so well and turns into big gains that Smith will excel at.

I know, I was more pro Alex than most so it's fair to take this with a grain of salt, but he really does do some things extremely well and in an Andy Reid WCO, I really do think he can tear shit up.

I see more and more why Andy likes the guy. He's just savvy as hell and has an innate feel for the rhythm and timing of the position. There are times that he takes a sack, sure, but it's not because he missed an open man - most of the time there's just nothing to throw to and he's not going to force one. I think what people are mistaking for tentativeness from him is actually an unwillingness to break out of the timing of the offense and improvise. I'm not saying he's Peyton or anything, but that's exactly what Peyton does. If the timing's off, he just throws the ball away and tries again. When the timing's off for Smith, he tries to buy time with his legs in the hopes that coverage breaks down. If it doesn't, he tries to scramble. I don't think he's tentative back there, he's just robotic. He's as far from a gunslinger as I've seen. Would you like to see a more intuitive QB back there? Sure, sometimes. But when you get a guy like that that isn't a stone-cold badass, people bitch about him being the next Jay Cutler. Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor and I think that's certainly the case in Alex Smith's case. If the timing isn't there, there's no sense in him trying to gun it into windows as they close.

As I've watched him more and more, I've moved him past everyone but Geno in this draft. He's better than Barkley's going to be, IMO.

I don't think he's a Harbaugh creation (though Harbaugh made him better) and I do think Reid can use many of the same strengths that Harbaugh did to make Smith a good NFL quarterback.

I think I'm prepared to really like the guy.

Okay. Feel free to return to your regularly scheduled Alex Smith excoriating.

Rasputin 03-13-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496223)
I think those are quite fair conclusions.

That said, how do you propose he sells tickets in 2013 by asking his fans to be even more patient than they've been since 2005?

I think you would be surprised and fans would love to go watch a true QBotf develop.

Hammock Parties 03-13-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9496188)
Then why not go the Aaron Rodgers/Colin Kaepernick way and try to develop a guy while a veteran makes the team competitive in the short term?

Because they are stupid and think Alex Smith + Chase Daniel is a good thing.

It's not.

There is no reason this team could not have rolled the dice on a first-round QB. No team in NFL history has been 100 percent sure an ENTIRE QB class was not going to pan out. And even if they thought they were, the fact everyone passed on Aaron Rodgers is proof enough that GMs get it wrong all the ****ing time.

We're going to be up shit creek with Alex Smith in the boat and 0 viable long-term options at QB in three years. Watch and see how much fun it is.

There is no complicated answer to why they chose to go with two guys who are at the bottom end of NFL QB ability (this is not debatable). The simple answer is: they are stupid or, at best, scared. Occam's razor slices, it dices.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-13-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496209)
They might be in purgatory but when was the last time the Chiefs finished with consecutive 8-8 records? When was the last time they put together consecutive winning seasons?

If the team wins eight games next year, anyone who suggests replacing the QB who "quadrupled the team's win total" will be treated as an apostate. I know because I saw the same idiots anoint Pioli with oil for doubling our win total in 2009.

Hammock Parties 03-13-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496219)
1) Clark Hunt doesn't really care about winning big

Clark would like to win big. He just doesn't want to tell GMs what to do in football decisions.

You can't really blame him because that's how he was raised: to be respectful.

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9496226)
I think you would be surprised and fans would love to go watch a true QBotf develop.

I'm sure that 78,000 people would trek out to the stadium every Sunday to watch Jeno Smythe for years on end in the hopes that he wasn't a complete failure.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-13-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496215)
I didn't realize that you work in marketing.

lol
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Cmd'r&Chief 03-13-2013 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496090)
What a mess.

First off, the Chiefs believe they've acquired the best possible QB available in 2013. It's hard to argue that fact when the guy has been successful the past two seasons, there was no one available in free agency that could even match his record and there's no one in the draft that is an immediately game changer.

The fact that the Chiefs haven't drafted a first round QB since 1983 is of absolutely no concern to Andy Reid and John Dorsey. They were hired to perform their jobs to the best of their ability, not to carelessly draft a position player because it hadn't been done in 30 years.

You have a valid point. But you could spend all day and all night arguing your point, and you'll still have doubters and naysayers. Everything you said is fact. I wanted to draft Geno, and I still do, because I think he has an really good chance to be great.... But you have to ask yourself, why is every draft analyst, reporter, and and football team saying the same thing? Don't you think that if Reid or Dorsey saw any sort serious potential in any of the quarterbacks this draft, that they wouldn't pounce on in a heartbeat? Let's say that Reid and Dorsey are both ****'tards, and they don't know what the hell they're doing. Then why aren't any of the other teams moving up to snatch a QB? Maybe everybody in the league are just a bunch of ****'tards who can't see tallent...

Or maybe, just maybe we're all so desperate to have our own young, freshly drafted franchise QB, that we're willing to reach to get one. Clearly the professionals disagree. Otherwise any one of the QB hungry teams would jump at the chance to get a franchise QB. Andy Reid is a brilliant mind, and well respected for developing QB's. Who the hell are we, a bunch of wannabe experts on an Internet forum, to question his choices before even giving him a chance to fail? Give me a ****ing break.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-13-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496223)
I think those are quite fair conclusions.

That said, how do you propose he sells tickets in 2013 by asking his fans to be even more patient than they've been since 2005?

By explaining truthfully the issues the team faces, apologizing publicly for Pioli and outlining a strategy for the team moving forward that he actually intends to honor, rather than lie about.

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496229)
If the team wins eight games next year, anyone who suggests replacing the QB who "quadrupled the team's win total" will be treated as an apostate. I know because I saw the same idiots anoint ***** with oil for doubling our win total in 2009.

I understand that would be topic of talk radio and Chiefs forums but I'd like to think that Reid and Dorsey wouldn't settle for an average team each year.

Sweet Daddy Hate 03-13-2013 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9496235)
I'm sure that 78,000 people would trek out to the stadium every Sunday to watch Jeno Smythe for years on end in the hopes that he wasn't a complete failure.

Years on end??? Come the **** on, man.
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DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496239)
By explaining truthfully the issues the team faces, apologizing publicly for ***** and outlining a strategy for the team moving forward that he actually intends to honor, rather than lie about.

I just don't think that Joe Fan has that ability, especially after witnessing the cluster**** that's happened since 2005.

If it were 2007 or even 2008, fine. But not 2013.

I can't even tell you how many season ticket holders and friends I've known forever that were PISSED that Thigpen wasn't handed the starting QB job in 2009.

Despite what talking heads used to say about Arrowhead, it's neither a tough place to play anymore, nor are the fans educated.

DJ's left nut 03-13-2013 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496202)
But the odds of that happening are relatively low.

If Smith gets injured and the Chiefs win four games, can you blame the season's failure on him?

If the Chiefs win seven games, what do you do with him?

In all likelihood this team will win 6-10 games next year which puts you out of the running for an elite QB.

The options are this:

Hope Alex Smith is far better than what he's shown
Hope Smith gets injured, the team submarines, moves on from him, and gets another high pick
Hope Smith reverts to his pre-Harbaugh form

Because unless one of those three outcomes happen, they will be in purgatory.

If he plays to his Harbaugh form and the Chiefs are able to turn 1.1 into, for example, 1.8 this year and 1.15 next - they can do a hell of a lot more than purgatory.

I think it's fair to give him the chance to prove that he isn't what he's been for his last 20 starts, don't you? If he's that guy, he's actually quite good.


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