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DaneMcCloud 02-20-2018 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 13427572)
There is zero to believe Peters is on the trade block

I’ve been playing Devil’s Advocate in this thread but as I’ve said several times, the only reason why the Chiefs would trade Peters is because Clark Hunt doesn’t want to give him a 5 year, $90 million dollar deal with $38-40 million guaranteed.

Buckweath 02-20-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13427574)
Well the offense is ascending with 3 elite playmakers and a young QB that a lot of folks feel is special.

Defense was still 15th in points allowed despite a plethora of players starting that are horrible. Berry coming back as normal is the deal breaker, but a couple of nice contributors in FA and a 2nd rd pick with immediate dividends (safety) would surely make this defense top 10 in points allowed.

I think Veach shares your mindset and will be making more moves to get new young talent in the next 2 months.

Berry coming back will not make the team better. Everytime I read that argument in the offseason and it makes no sense. He was already part of the team to begin with. You get Berry back but let's say you will lose one of Peters, Jones, Houston, Hill or Kelce for the season. It is the same every season. You get your injured players back for the new season but you are about to lose roughly the equivalent.

The year before people said the defense is getting Houston back. It will help. But look, they lost Berry. The defense was worse.

The Bad Guy 02-20-2018 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13427588)
I’ve been playing Devil’s Advocate in this thread but as I’ve said several times, the only reason why the Chiefs would trade Peters is because Clark Hunt doesn’t want to give him a 5 year, $90 million dollar deal with $38-40 million guaranteed.

Which is fine, but 2018 isn't the year to do that. The Chiefs are going to need the defense to get back to top 10 level next year. Peters is a big part of that.

Red Dawg 02-20-2018 07:53 PM

I would trade him if it meant we got Fitzpatrick. Otherwise we will be hurting ourselves if we dont sign a good one in FA.

Couch-Potato 02-20-2018 07:58 PM

Man, this would be tough to swallow. Marcus is better than an unproven first round pick. I'd need a pick + something else to feel decent about this one. Just keep him and get him a counselor please hahaha

BryanBusby 02-20-2018 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 13427596)
Which is fine, but 2018 isn't the year to do that. The Chiefs are going to need the defense to get back to top 10 level next year. Peters is a big part of that.

Yep. It could happen, but not a lot of reason to do that today.

Tribal Warfare 02-20-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13427600)
I would trade him if it meant we got Fitzpatrick. .

Bradley Chubb or Payne/Vea range.

Chiefshrink 02-20-2018 08:43 PM

I think IF Veach got the right deal for Peters he would trade him in a heartbeat just solely on Peters extreme emotional immaturity that always shows up at the worst times in the heat of battle. It sure isn't because of his play when he has a cool head(other than his lack of tackling:#)I think there is some truth to these rumors.

And you as an owner, GM and coach are thinking about giving this "man/child" a manure load of $$ and then trust that this $$ won't go to his head(on or off the field) when he as already shown he can't be trusted now with a below modest contract ??

Don't mean to go all spiritual here but Clark,Andy and Brett are very nervous about paying Peters IMHO as they should be, indirectly applying this wisdom from scripture that most of us apply in our everyday life(as parents, grandparents and employers) from Luke 16:10-12. Granted this verse talks about the actual monetary wealth but even more so speaks to the "handling" (character or lack thereof) when wealth is acquired.

10“Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. 11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? 12And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?


IF Veach gets the right deal for Peters, I say take it !! I don't trust Peters at all with a manure load of $$ that now only enables his immature ego to stay stunted and we will never see the same Peters from his first 3yrs again IMHO. Not a hater of Peters at all just a realist.:hmmm:

chiefzilla1501 02-20-2018 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13427660)
I think IF Veach got the right deal for Peters he would trade him in a heartbeat just solely on Peters extreme emotional immaturity that always shows up at the worst times in the heat of battle. It sure isn't because of his play when he has a cool head(other than his lack of tackling:#)I think there is some truth to these rumors.

And you as an owner, GM and coach are thinking about giving this "man/child" a manure load of $$ and then trust that this $$ won't go to his head(on or off the field) when he as already shown he can't be trusted now with a below modest contract ??

Don't mean to go all spiritual here but Clark,Andy and Brett are very nervous about paying Peters IMHO as they should be, indirectly applying this wisdom from scripture that most of us apply in our everyday life(as parents, grandparents and employers) from Luke 16:10-12. Granted this verse talks about the actual monetary wealth but even more so speaks to the "handling" (character or lack thereof) when wealth is acquired.

10“Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. 11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? 12And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?


IF Veach gets the right deal for Peters, I say take it !! I don't trust Peters at all with a manure load of $$ that now only enables his immature ego to stay stunted and we will never see the same Peters from his first 3yrs again IMHO. Not a hater of Peters at all just a realist.:hmmm:

He had a few game stretch where he lost his maturity. Before and after that stretch he was fine. He still has to prove himself. But holy hell, this is why we can't have nice things. I can't imagine how berserk this place would have gone if we had Chad Johnson or odb on our team.

Willie Lanier 02-20-2018 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 13427595)
Berry coming back will not make the team better. Everytime I read that argument in the offseason and it makes no sense. He was already part of the team to begin with. You get Berry back but let's say you will lose one of Peters, Jones, Houston, Hill or Kelce for the season. It is the same every season. You get your injured players back for the new season but you are about to lose roughly the equivalent.

The year before people said the defense is getting Houston back. It will help. But look, they lost Berry. The defense was worse.

That is some ass backwards logic you're proclaiming...

Think about it logically - an elite player (who also holds the credentials of the unquestioned locker room leader) returns, the team should see that as a plus...

Your stupid hypothetical doesn't mean dick until it happens...

Are you a masochist or just a pessimist?

pugsnotdrugs19 02-20-2018 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 13427595)
Berry coming back will not make the team better. Everytime I read that argument in the offseason and it makes no sense. He was already part of the team to begin with. You get Berry back but let's say you will lose one of Peters, Jones, Houston, Hill or Kelce for the season. It is the same every season. You get your injured players back for the new season but you are about to lose roughly the equivalent.

The year before people said the defense is getting Houston back. It will help. But look, they lost Berry. The defense was worse.

Absolutely goofy thought process here.

The Chiefs get back the guy who won them multiple games in 2016 with game changing plays, and that isn’t going to make them better? They literally had to pull the guy off of the sidelines during pregame this year to lead the huddle because there was such a massive leadership void left in the wake of his injury.

Assuming that player X is going to get hurt is speculation and doesn’t apply to the conversation right now.

Sweet Daddy Hate 02-20-2018 09:03 PM

Ascending or not, the output of the team should at the very worst remain about the same.

WITH the exception, that this current roster with the addition of Mahomes is ABSOLUTELY a wild card contender and winner.

Chiefshrink 02-20-2018 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 13427670)
He had a few game stretch where he lost his maturity. Before and after that stretch he was fine. He still has to prove himself.

Agreed. But that stretch was immature emotional frustration on display directly tied to losing IMHO. And to think $$ will calm his immature frustration when adversity hits is foolish thinking.

I have no doubt Mahomes will be a very good QB maybe even great but he will have many growing pains these next 2 yrs with a defense that will not be much better IMHO. Can Peters tolerate Mahomes growing pains that might result in losses and a losing record of 7-9 or 8-8 with mediocre defensive play overall for the next 2yrs ? IMHO, I don't think so. If the deal is right, TAKE IT and let somebody else deal with his "tampon diva with $$" attitude when adversity hits.

Chiefnj2 02-20-2018 09:08 PM

Losing your cool on the field because you are angry at the officiating and/or the overall shit play of the defense does not equate to off field trouble, wife beating or drug use.

Yeah, he's a bit of a dick for not standing after the Vegas shooting, but he's a great corner.

Willie Lanier 02-20-2018 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 13427682)
Agreed. But that stretch was immature emotional frustration on display directly tied to losing IMHO. And to think $$ will calm his immature frustration when adversity hits is foolish thinking.

I have no doubt Mahomes will be a very good QB maybe even great but he will have many growing pains these next 2 yrs with a defense that will not be much better IMHO. Can Peters tolerate Mahomes growing pains that might result in losses and a losing record of 7-9 or 8-8 with mediocre defensive play overall for the next 2yrs ? IMHO, I don't think so. If the deal is right, TAKE IT and let somebody else deal with his "tampon diva with $$" attitude when adversity hits.

But every sign I've seen points to Peters being a huge Mahomes fan, so I'm having trouble deciphering your thought process


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