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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16237587)

If these 3 are available are we only have one pick, who you got?

1. George Karlaftis

2. Trey Burks

2. George Pickens

Deal.

EDIT: lol read that wrong, I thought you meant if we had 2 picks and these three are available.

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16237587)

If these 3 are available are we only have one pick, who you got?

1. George Karlaftis

2. Trey Burks

2. George Pickens

Devonte Wyatt

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 16237587)

If these 3 are available and we only have one pick, who you got?

1. George Karlaftis

2. Trey Burks

2. George Pickens

Id go Burks! I think he would have more of an impact on the team.

You could get a guy very similar to Karlaftis later, might get Pickens later too.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16236013)

Figured.

Lazy take dude.

There’s really no comparison aside from playing for Georgia.

Pickens has flashed legit WR1 upside. Chris Conley was a complete projection based on measurables.

My problem with Pickens is 2 straight years with injuries including his ACL. A HoF NFL coach once said (paraphrasing) if a player misses games in college due to injury he will miss games in the NFL due to injury.

Thoughts on Demarvin Leal?

Looks like an absolute game wrecker. Just wish they didn't move him around so much so we could get a better look at him as a pure DT.

6'4, 285 and MAN he carries that well. I don't care about the combine numbers for the role he plays.

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt (Post 16240401)

I really like him in the 2nd. I think, if you're looking for a discount replacement for Chris Jones at the 3-tech in the near future, he's a guy to strongly consider. I like Zach Carter as a similar player in the 3rd round.

Bump (officially added Pickens to the list)

I guess I’ll just put this here.

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Which prospect is experiencing a supposed rise or fall that you don’t understand?

Brugler: I struggle with the idea of North Dakota State’s Christian Watson going in the top 25 picks. There is a lot to like about his talent, and he has crushed this pre-draft process, but those at the Senior Bowl saw how much extra attention the coaches gave him because his routes were still pretty rough. The drops on film are bothersome, too. And you wish he showed more dominance at the FCS level. I like Watson a lot on day two, but the price tag might be too expensive for my taste.

On the flipside, I am surprised by some of the low opinions around the league on Purdue pass rusher George Karlaftis. I’ve talked with several people in the league who believe he won’t be drafted until the second round. I don’t think he is top-10 pick in this draft, but I also don’t see how he falls out of the top 25 because of his talent and the fact he plays a premium position.

Tice: I am completely with Dane here. I don’t understand the love for Christian Watson as a first round selection. I view him more as an intriguing third-round pick with excellent height/weight/speed traits. But his film left me wanting more.

Jermaine Johnson is another player getting love after an impressive Senior Bowl performance. While I do like Johnson and think he will be a good starter in the NFL, his upside makes him a player I’d be comfortable taking in the second half of the first round. Some mocks have him landing in the top 10.

I will also keep pounding the table that offensive lineman Charles Cross should be an easy top 10 pick. So a potential fall in the first round has me pulling my hair out.

Baumgardner: Not sure if he’s rising or falling, but it feels like Penn State edge prospect Arnold Ebiketie hasn’t gotten enough love nationally. He shot out of a cannon off the snap and was one of the best pass rushers off the ball at the Senior Bowl to my eye.

He’s not gigantic (6-2, 250) like some of the other edge players in this class, but he has some Kwity Paye to his game. He recorded 17 TFLs in only one season against Big Ten offensive lines.

Lee: In a draft class with a couple of great edge rushers and few great tackles, maybe Kyle Hamilton shouldn’t have ever been considered so highly — but I can’t say I understand what’s dropped him in the eyes of analysts and NFL types. He may not be the exact same speed demon that Derwin James was at Florida State, but the entire reason Hamilton was regarded highly was because of his tape, which still makes him look like the best overall defensive player in the draft.

Conversely, like Nate, I’m not sure that I see what some others do in Jermaine Johnson. The value Johnson adds as a run defender is massive, especially in an NFL that’s embracing more light boxes on early downs, but he’s maxed out as a pass rusher. A player that’ll top out as a secondary rusher is better suited for the back end of the first round, instead of top 10-12. What do I know, though? People are mentioning about Travon Walker as the first overall pick.

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16247651)

I guess I’ll just put this here.

I like all of that!

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16247651)

I guess I’ll just put this here.

I'm really hoping those guys do fall. I don't like the potential idea of moving so far up for them but it seems that's where they were being valued by most outlets (hell I've seen alot of Johnson at 9 lately!).

While I think they do come off the board by 23/24, I'd love it much more if it only took a much more modest move than going up to a spot like 13 to get one. If Johnson goes near 10 then it feels like Karlaftis goes in the teens. If Johnson falls some then that pushes Karlaftis down.

Maybe there are some AJ Epenesa vibes in the NFL regarding these cats too?

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247736)

I don't know. As an Iowa fan, I watch a ton of B1G football. Karlaftis is a better prospect than Epenesa and the difference is somewhat noticeable, IMO.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16247771)

I don't know. As an Iowa fan, I watch a ton of B1G football. Karlaftis is a better prospect than Epenesa and the difference is somewhat noticeable, IMO.

I agree. I'm an Ohio State fan. I love Karlaftis man. Was actually thinking of making the change in my What I want mock and i'm about 95% on it. He's been a guy I've thought highly of for a while.

The other guy I've really come around on is Ebiketie and it's been about scheme fit and not talent level. I feel like he's a perfect Clark replacement.

I mean, Karlaftis falling a bit is helpful. I'm all about that.

We need as many of those QBs to go as possible.

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16247772)

That's the big thing for me about Karlaftis. He was really good for more than just one year in the B1G.