Football is a weird sport to determine the GOAT considering there's 22 starters and players don't play both ways.

And I have zero issue with somebody saying Brady is the GOAT. Kind of hard to argue against if we're being honest.

But just like MJ, I feel pretty confident in the eye test when it comes to Mahomes. I realize he might not ever be seen as the GOAT, but it's still very early in his career.

Nah, I think it might have a little more to do with having Larry Hughes being his best #2 for the first 7 years of his career and then Kevin Durant joining a 72 win team with 3 other HOFers for the latter half of his career.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

It's hilarious how you talk about "faulty logic" then turn around and say shit like this.

1. MJ never got the chance because he WAS the 72 win team.

2. That Warriors team was clearly running out of gas in the playoffs. They were lucky to even get out of the WCF. They were nowhere near 100% in the playoffs.

3. Kyrie, not Lebron, made the big shot.

It's actually pretty easy to argue against. Tom Brady is the most overrated athlete in the history of sports. He doesn't even have good career playoff numbers.

He'll certainly never be seen as the GOAT for a certain segment of the sports audience who cling to rings logic like it is the be-all and end-all.

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The greatest play in NBA Finals history.

If you're using rings logic though, it won't put him right there with him at all despite being the clearly better quarterback.

Cool, but the fact remains that Kyrie made the big shit and had a Finals MVP caliber performance throughout the playoffs.

This "beat a 72 win team = GOAT" narrative is "faulty logic" because he far from did it on his own, and the other points I made that you conveniently ignored.

Kyrie was good that series but he was not LeBron. Do you really want me to post LeBron's ridiculous numbers in games 5 through 7 of that series again? I can, but I know you already know them.

Per usual, you are missing the point. It was Lebron's best Finals performance. I never said it wasn't.

But his Robin played like a Batman too. You can't just ignore that and pretend that Lebron did it on his own.

Just like you can't pretend that the Warriors weren't lucky not to lose to the Thunder in the WCF, or that they weren't running out of gas after chasing 72 wins and not even really close to 100%.

I'm just pointing out your "faulty logic". It's pure desperation to create a narrative in favor of Lebron's legacy, because the ghost of MJ is just too difficult to take down otherwise.

We never got to see MJ face as stiff a challenge as the 2016 Warriors at his/the Bulls peak (although you could easily argue MJ was at his peak in the late 80s when he was getting run over by the Pistons every year but I'm willing to give his lesser teams a pass on that), so we'll never quite know what he would have done against it. We know what LeBron accomplished against it though. That 2016 Finals performance is one of the most impressive performances in the history of the game.

Because MJ WAS the 72 win team LMAO

How exactly is that a knock on MJ? LMAO

He was the greatest player of all time on the greatest team of all-time.

More "faulty logic" from your big brain.

Who said it was a knock on MJ? It's just an enormous plus on LeBron. He faced massive adversity and got through it in a way that MJ never had to do in any of those title runs.

And people bring up the Warriors when LeBron has failed in the finals against lesser teams.

The Barkley suns and Payton/Kemp Sonics are some great teams that NEVER got a ring because of MJ

MJ's "switch hands for no reason" layup vs. the Lakers in the 1991 finals was better.

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