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wazu 04-24-2025 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18039772)
His platform season wasn't good.

And I do think there are SOME teams that would struggle with him. If you put him out there as a WR1 with a relatively inexperienced QB, you might get him trying to bully guys.

But there isn't a team/system/staff in all of football better situated to handle any issues he has. And as I said previously, those issues just aren't real 'character' issues as much as they are competitive issues. I don't mind 'em -- especially not in this environment.

I mean who the **** is he really gonna 'big time' in this organization? You think he's gonna go out there and show up Patrick ****ing Mahomes?

And as for the platform season - I just absolutely believe that was the staff and his QBs that were to blame. I watched every game (or 90% of them) in his college career and the traits NEVER changed. They were always there.

And if September of last year we were worried this guy was going to go top 5 to the ****ing Broncos. Because the traits were THAT obvious. Every last one of them were still there last season.

His coaches and QB just didn't use him like they should. They used him as a decoy and gadget because at some point they realized that the QB was mind-****ed. Then he got hurt and Drew Pyne was worse than you and I would've been.

So many people are saying "If Simmons is there, we have to take him because injury has pushed a talent we NEVER get a shot at this late in the draft if he's healthy..."

Well you know what? That exact logic applies to Burden. But it wasn't HIS injury that's pushed that top 10 talent down to us. It was Cooks. And it was a talent drain from Mizzou that I mentioned in the Mizzou thread that we just didn't really recognize at the time.

This IS the same top 10 talent he was. And his QBs injuries and team circumstances are pushing him down to us where he just shouldn't be.

I'd take him without blinking. I might take him over Harmon and even Nolen. I am that sold on the pure ability.
Glad to see this. I just started regularly watching MU games again this past year and kept wondering what was up with this player I had heard so much hype about. The shitty QB play was extremely obvious, but yeah the gadget stuff and just not seeing Burden somehow rise above it had me wondering.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2025 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 18039802)
Glad to see this. I just started regularly watching MU games again this past year and kept wondering what was up with this player I had heard so much hype about. The shitty QB play was extremely obvious, but yeah the gadget stuff and just not seeing Burden somehow rise above it had me wondering.
I'd have been more concerned had he NOT been pissed about how he was used last year.

Now there WAS a stretch in there (I think with Pyne under center) where he sure as shit looked like he quit. He had a quarter against South Carolina (I think) where he was essentially pouting.

He has that crayon in his crayon box. But I just think that's a trait common to all WRs. I mean the one guy who DIDN'T have it from the top WRs in last year's class was Odunze and he disappointed.

It's like saying a LB is crazy -- I WANT a little crazy in my LBs. I can't have 11 goddamn lunatics on my defense, but give me a psychopath somewhere in my LB room and my DL.

I can't have 3 diva's all demanding the ball in my WR room, no. But man, you can carry 1. Hell you can carry 2. And I think we have plenty of room for that -- and that's PRESUMING that Burden is a Diva and I'm really not even willing to concede that point.

Sassy Squatch 04-24-2025 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 18039802)
Glad to see this. I just started regularly watching MU games again this past year and kept wondering what was up with this player I had heard so much hype about. The shitty QB play was extremely obvious, but yeah the gadget stuff and just not seeing Burden somehow rise above it had me wondering.
Yep. All will be forgiven for those useless ****s Cook and Drinkwitz if they really did manage to suck so badly it pushed Burden to the back of round one.

O.city 04-24-2025 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18039772)
His platform season wasn't good.

And I do think there are SOME teams that would struggle with him. If you put him out there as a WR1 with a relatively inexperienced QB, you might get him trying to bully guys.

But there isn't a team/system/staff in all of football better situated to handle any issues he has. And as I said previously, those issues just aren't real 'character' issues as much as they are competitive issues. I don't mind 'em -- especially not in this environment.

I mean who the **** is he really gonna 'big time' in this organization? You think he's gonna go out there and show up Patrick ****ing Mahomes?

And as for the platform season - I just absolutely believe that was the staff and his QBs that were to blame. I watched every game (or 90% of them) in his college career and the traits NEVER changed. They were always there.

And if September of last year we were worried this guy was going to go top 5 to the ****ing Broncos. Because the traits were THAT obvious. Every last one of them were still there last season.

His coaches and QB just didn't use him like they should. They used him as a decoy and gadget because at some point they realized that the QB was mind-****ed. Then he got hurt and Drew Pyne was worse than you and I would've been.

So many people are saying "If Simmons is there, we have to take him because injury has pushed a talent we NEVER get a shot at this late in the draft if he's healthy..."

Well you know what? That exact logic applies to Burden. But it wasn't HIS injury that's pushed that top 10 talent down to us. It was Cooks. And it was a talent drain from Mizzou that I mentioned in the Mizzou thread that we just didn't really recognize at the time.

This IS the same top 10 talent he was. And his QBs injuries and team circumstances are pushing him down to us where he just shouldn't be.

I'd take him without blinking. I might take him over Harmon and even Nolen. I am that sold on the pure ability.
But...if he were really that last year, wouldn't it be likely teams would be willing to go with what you're saying here and draft him there?

Or is it just as likely he's what he is now and woulda been overhyped last year?

I don't know, don't really have an opinion on it either way to be sure.

kgrund 04-24-2025 09:41 AM
Could TE be the under radar pick? IMO have 4 TEs that move the needle and 3 may go in first and the 4th might not be around for our 2nd. I think Mason Taylor at 31 would be surprising, but would make some sense.

milkshock 04-24-2025 09:42 AM
It’s got to be Burden surely if he’s still around

Would hate to miss out on a guy who could be as productive as Brian Thomas Jr who also went lower than he should.


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DJ's left nut 04-24-2025 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18039847)
But...if he were really that last year, wouldn't it be likely teams would be willing to go with what you're saying here and draft him there?

Or is it just as likely he's what he is now and woulda been overhyped last year?

I don't know, don't really have an opinion on it either way to be sure.
Slides happen when guys are 2nd on boards.

And I think there's a decent chance that Burden just ends up 2nd on a lot of boards.

Some teams will be looking at different positions. Other teams have legitimate concerns if they can bring his personality into their locker-room. Still others will wonder if they can fully utilize him within their offense.

Many of them will just be wrong, IMO. And all of them will still like him, just maybe not quite as much as others.

But to your point, yes - that's absolutely my biggest worry. That a team like the Ravens - a team with few needs and a very stable organization - will grab him right in front of us. Because they'll be focused purely on the raw talent and the Ravens often seem to avoid overthinking things.

If you focus on talent and avoid overthinking it, Burden is a spectacular get in the last 1st round. I can only hope that the Ravens focus more on their defense than getting a weapon for Jackson.

O.city 04-24-2025 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18039859)
Slides happen when guys are 2nd on boards.

And I think there's a decent chance that Burden just ends up 2nd on a lot of boards.

Some teams will be looking at different positions. Other teams have legitimate concerns if they can bring his personality into their locker-room. Still others will wonder if they can fully utilize him within their offense.

Many of them will just be wrong, IMO. And all of them will still like him, just maybe not quite as much as others.

But to your point, yes - that's absolutely my biggest worry. That a team like the Ravens - a team with few needs and a very stable organization - will grab him right in front of us. Because they'll be focused purely on the raw talent and the Ravens often seem to avoid overthinking things.

If you focus on talent and avoid overthinking it, Burden is a spectacular get in the last 1st round. I can only hope that the Ravens focus more on their defense than getting a weapon for Jackson.
You're kinda making my point for me though. If he is that special, top 10 type talent....why would he make it to the end of round 1? Especially in a draft like this, devoid of true difference makers.

Wouldn't it be more likely he was always this?

DJ's left nut 04-24-2025 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by kgrund (Post 18039850)
Could TE be the under radar pick? IMO have 4 TEs that move the needle and 3 may go in first and the 4th might not be around for our 2nd. I think Mason Taylor at 31 would be surprising, but would make some sense.
Taylor would be an example of a team trying to replace a HoFer instead of pivot away from him.

It would be a mistake.

I don't think Taylor's a 1st round talent. If he becomes what you hope he becomes, he's a top 10(ish) TE. Which is...fine. But it's not a guy you build your offense around.

If we get Taylor it's because we're just trying to maintain the same thing we've done for years in the hopes that we get a 1 for 1 replacement for the best TE to ever play.

We can't. We won't. Not even if we somehow got Warren. And Taylor ain't Warren.

I'm not interested in a 1st round TE.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2025 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18039862)
You're kinda making my point for me though. If he is that special, top 10 type talent....why would he make it to the end of round 1? Especially in a draft like this, devoid of true difference makers.

Wouldn't it be more likely he was always this?
But he very obviously wasn't in 2023. In 2023 when he got solid QB play (not even great QB play) he established his true talent level.

So no. It's not more likely he was always this because he WASN'T this the season prior.

O.city 04-24-2025 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18039867)
But he very obviously wasn't in 2023. In 2023 when he got solid QB play (not even great QB play) he established his true talent level.

So no. It's not more likely he was always this because he WASN'T this the season prior.
What I'm saying though, is if teams thought that, why would he last to our pick?

duncan_idaho 04-24-2025 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18039862)
You're kinda making my point for me though. If he is that special, top 10 type talent....why would he make it to the end of round 1? Especially in a draft like this, devoid of true difference makers.

Wouldn't it be more likely he was always this?

Because teams talk themselves into reasons to not take guys at times. Happens all the time.

O.city 04-24-2025 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18039871)
Because teams talk themselves into reasons to not take guys at times. Happens all the time.
Top 10 talents that play wr? That....doesn't seem to happen much, especially these days.

DJ's left nut 04-24-2025 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18039870)
What I'm saying though, is if teams thought that, why would he last to our pick?
What does he NOT do at an extremely high level?

Use Rice as a baseline. Find me anything that Rice did better coming out of college than Burden.

I can't find one. They played an extremely similar style - Burden just does all those things a little bit better.

RunKC 04-24-2025 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18039872)
Top 10 talents that play wr? That....doesn't seem to happen much, especially these days.
Brian Thomas Jr, Jared Verse, Quinyon Mitchell, Trent McDuffie. Happens every year.

They fall bc about 1/3 of the teams aren’t drafting BPA. They’re drafting to save their job.

Big run on specific players pushes guys down the board. We saw it last year when so many teams took QB and OL. This year there’s gonna be a shit load of DL and OL picked early pushing these guys down the board.

And somebody will take Shedeur or Dart too


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