I have a hard time believing that either 810 or 610 is being overly pessimistic toward a loaded team that is favored to win the SB and could very well be the best team in franchise history.

If anything, they're probably just searching for something to talk about rather than repeating "this team's gonna kick ass" all day.

CEH running corner routes for TDs is just what this offense needs. :clap:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Punt coverage. Chill Niemann lol <a href="https://t.co/jUxoptGsRS">pic.twitter.com/jUxoptGsRS</a></p>&mdash; Eddie High (@EddieHigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHigh/status/1425106957308874752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I’m very intrigued by Keyes. I’m thinking he’ll be the last CB to make the team. Seems like he could be a nice special teams player and solid depth.

it seems like each time I flip to 810 they're talking Royals baseball with some old baseball guy; or just by themselves.

the only thing worse than watching baseball, is listening to people talk about baseball; when they have a guest that was an 'old ball player".


all this, while training camp is going on.


Soren is god awful these days.
"ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"...."uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" ; followed by a 3 minute infomercial about wherever they're broadcasting from after they return from commercial.

I don't take this as a real good thing. I think we kind of know what Hardman is. I was hoping the Clemson kid would be the real deal.

Nonetheless, 810 at least talks college sports. 610 is 80% chiefs, 10% pop culture, 9% Royals - last 1% they sometimes talk about NBA, random sports and if ur struck by lightening college sports. 610 has better hosts, so it is disappointing. The Chiefs gets pounded at nauseum sometimes.

That’s because you’re a ****ing dumbass.

He’s not necessarily wrong, *someone* has to be the number 2. It doesn’t mean Hardman any better than he’s ever been.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I find this interesting. As Byron Pringle, Mike Hughes, Demarcus Robinson &amp; Darrius Shepherd get return work, Mecole Hardman joined fellow top skill players Clyde, Hill and Kelce in QB competition showcase. Wonder if he’s long for return game if he emerges as big offensive piece.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1425108103633063936?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Right with ya.

It's never a good thing to see our players perform well. Personally I'd feel a lot better if Pat was throwing picks every play.

By all accounts, Hardman is having a great camp, and has matured a lot (hence “running away with”).

How is that “not a good thing”?

It’s absolutely reeruned that people think a year 3 WR that was extremely raw coming out, and still learning the position, can’t get any better.

I've been a Hardman doubter. But I really believe in his potential if he's really putting it together like everyone within the organization is saying he is.

Hardman running away with the #2 receiver job is something we've been wanting from him for a couple years now. Now that it looks like he's finally making that jump that's all of a sudden a bad thing?

Sorry, I can't buy that. And it would be a lot more alarming if a rookie late round pick was already outperforming him. I can't see how that would be a good thing for us at all.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Screen to Clyde <a href="https://t.co/LzBhCngXe4">pic.twitter.com/LzBhCngXe4</a></p>&mdash; Eddie High (@EddieHigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHigh/status/1425111298350751750?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nick Allegretti getting the second-team center work today. Austin Blythe at LG. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a></p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1425111071937884161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why the hell would this be a bad thing?

The rookie 5th round WR wasn't ever gonna "run away with" anything.

There is always a "camp" hero. Every year. I don't place much stock in anything that happens in camp. We really won't know anything until the lights come on. Hardman might have 750 yards this year because of the kind of deep threat he is, but I'd like him to improve his route running and how he improvises when the play breaks down. That is going to make or break how good this team can be if the Clemson kid & the Duke kid isn't ready to contribute.

That was a dumbass pipe dream of yours if you thought Powell had a reasonable chance at the #2 WR spot in training camp.

Tyreek Hill is one of the quickest-learning and most talented WRs Andy Reid has ever coached, and in his rookie year it took him the entire regular season to see touches on offense that weren't designed gimmick plays. He certainly wasn't seeing #2 WR reps in ****ing training camp. It's unreasonable to think Powell would have done any better as a guy who dropped in the draft because he was low on depth charts for much of his collegiate career.

Hardman is the #2 WR. That isn't the #2 in targets players.

If he goes for 800 yards and 6 Td's, the Chiefs might have one of hte best offenses in history.

Unless your Davante Adams, most of the time you don't take the huge step from year 2 to year 3. You take it from year 1 to year 2.

I know alot of people point at targets and he hasn't had a ton the last two years. Usually that is fair, but Hardman's worst skill is route running. He had chances last year with Sammy out a bit and didn't capitalize. Obviously I hope he turns into a monster, I just don't see it happening. I expect an uptick on targets and yards, but only due to necessity. I hope he proves me wrong.

Any Hardman judgement should wait until we play some games. We need him to be a guy that teams need to respect to take the pressure off Travis and Hill some. I am not a huge fan of his but he hasn't been in the 2 slot. Let's see what happens.

I mean, I don't take training camp info too seriously. I'm certainly not counting the Clemson kid out. I'm just saying the better news would be for the Clemson kid to already be talked about as battling it out for #2 with Hardman. Not Hardman has solidified his #2 position.

I understand that if you don't say everything that Chiefs fan wants to hear, you will get chastised, but such is life and I am prepared to deal with the consequences that comes along with such takes. "reerun!!!" "DUMBASS" "KILL HIM WITH THE PITCHFORK!!"

You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.

1. There are plenty of WR’s throughout history that have made a huge jump from year 2 to year 3.

2. We literally just witnessed that with Calvin Ridley last year for example.

3. Hardman is a unique situation considering how raw he was and how he had only been playing WR for a couple years.

4. That goes without even mentioning that Reid’s offense has a reputation of being hard to learn for WR’s.

This is Hardman's second proper offseason/training camp and, by all accounts, he's doing well.

Seems like his only issue was not fully grasping the offense and playbook yet. Why wouldn't that improve?

Don't like taking Hardman off returns. He is too much of a weapon there.

It's pretty short-sighted to think that a WR who...

1) Was incredibly raw at WR coming out of college because he was a RB in high school and for his first year of college, and then spent 2 years at WR in an incredibly conservative, run-dominated offense

2) Flashed big-time potential as a rookie while balancing return duties

3) Didn't have a real offseason between his rookie season and second season, to continue smoothing out the raw edges


... is a finished product/we know what he is.

Many WRs take until season 3 before they really hit their stride, anyway. People are falling prey to recency bias in deciding Hardman is what he is.

If he's really taking off and playing well in the offensive scheme, thats more important.

Hardman will be fine.

Even if this was true (it is not), you can't seriously say you think that Hardman's Year 1 to Year 2 opportunity for improvements compares favorably with a normal offseason.

Even for a guy who was NOT as raw coming into his NFL career, I wouldn't expect any year 2 players to have progressed normally (or rookies) last year because they literally didn't have a real training camp.

Forget the Clemson kid, he won't see the field much if at all. Gray is a better option and we run some 2 TE sets. He's got the athletic ability.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dirty Dan pick-six.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1425110947941650436?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All the motion <a href="https://t.co/KKB6mdTr0a">pic.twitter.com/KKB6mdTr0a</a></p>&mdash; Eddie High (@EddieHigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHigh/status/1425115637400080385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That number 10 is pretty fast

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Devon Key with a diving INT</p>&mdash; Eddie High (@EddieHigh) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieHigh/status/1425111543914668039?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

You said it may not be a good thing that Hardman has basically secured that role. You know what else isn't a good thing? Hardman NOT securing that role because he's way more Demarcus Robinson and Byron Pringle than he is Sammy Watkins in terms of ability. If he weren't securing that WR role, it was extremely unlikely it was because Powell was soooo good in the offense already. It was probably going to be because Hardman was sucking eggs.

Your take isn't stupid because it's "not what Chiefs fans want to hear." It's stupid because it's just plain stupid.

Bwillie's take is based on the premise that Hardman sucks and that we "already know what we have in him". If you're of the mindset that Hardman sucks, then sure, i can see why another WR not challenging him would be viewed as a bad thing.

What's ignorant is saying that a guy who's put up 1100 yards and 10 TD's in two seasons as a limited snap, part time player, "sucks".

That kind of production, not even including his returns, says "EXPLOSIVE". It doesn't say suck.

We should all be excited about what that kid is about to do in a full time role, not lamenting it.

You have to remember that last year was not like any year in NFL history. Everything was locked down during the off-season.

Mecole could not get any help bc he had to sit at home. He could not improve his route running bc of lock downs.

He didn’t really have a chance to get better and it showed

I don't think that would be good news at all.

If Powell were outplaying Hardman, people would be saying it's a horrible sign that a slow, 5th round rookie is outperforming the 3rd year vet.

It's sports talk radio-esque (this is not a compliment).

He only played 45% of the offensive snaps.

During his BEST SEASON with the Chiefs Sammy Watkins played 70% of the snaps and barely had 100 yards more, and fewer TDs.

Really hard not to be excited about the opportunity coming for Mecole.

I’m holding off on judgment of Hardman & Niang until I see them in game action.

It’s only fair right?

Holding off judgement on Niang?

You were judging Niang before he ever got in the ****ing building. Who are you trying to fool?

They are going to use Clyde like Westbrook. That's hot

I’m trying to be fair. I’ve jumped to conclusions on him but I’m willing to let him prove how good he is just like Hardman.

My expectations aren’t very high for either one so they have that going for them.

Thought that was always the idea, no? We drafted CEH for his versatility and the skill set fitting this offense damn near perfectly.

Absolutely.

Did you call/text Brett Veach to let him know you're willing to let Lucas Niang prove how good he is?

Hardman in a "new role" and an actual offseason to get better ... we are gonna have a few guys that make a big leap this season. Think its gonna be a common theme across the NFL really.

Hardman, Clyde, Gay some of the Chiefs that should make big strides -- especially what we have been hearing from those fellas in camp so far. I'm really looking forward to this season

Any idea if Thornhill has returned to practice after his injury? Haven't heard a peep about him.

Yes.

I’m worried about Thornhill. He’s on the 2nd team and being held along slowly.

Even Nate Taylor said on his pod that this was a complete mystery to him and is worried about what’s good on with him

I’ve said it before, but Spags clearly loves Dirty Dan.

I fully expect a similar snap count to what we saw towards the end last year for Thornhill. He’ll play 70-75% of the snaps.

He’s still not technically a starter though, hence why he’s running with the 2s.

I just want him on the field when they're in nickel sets.

The problem is he’s being held back as if he’s injured but it’s been 1.5 years since his injury happened

He's going to play with lebron?

He just had a groin injury too though.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Orlando Brown has struggled some in 1-on-1 pass blocking drills but said he uses those drills to work on techniques more than beating opponents.</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1425149006548721665?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brown also said he&#39;s better in games than practice. &quot;I don&#39;t want to say I&#39;m a gamer or anything like that because I think that&#39;s kind of weird. But I definitely approach games differently. It&#39;s just a different switch once you get out there and the lights go on.&#39;&#39;</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1425149539560865801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That’s goes right in line with what Schwartz said in regards to 1 on 1s.

Somebody's hacked Teicher's account...he's not whining about OL getting beat, he's offering actual reasoning behind the observations!

Maybe he's finally getting laid.

Tyreek was a star in his first training camp. He was an anomaly, for sure and that’s with him being very raw.
He needs to be able to focus on his WR duties.

Similar to what they did with Hill in the second snd third year.

who's the lucky guy ROFL

Think about punt returns. The best thing the punt returner can do is get the ball back to the offense.

Hell, I'd just try to block every punt or just let them punt it and don't take a risk for a fumble.

Exactly, if Hardman was having a hard time distancing himself from the other receivers then there would be an issue and Kemp is having a great camp by all accounts so its not like its lack of competition. Haven't heard bad things about Robinson or Pringle either.

Robinson has had a quiet camp. He's still young and has a chance to up his game.

Callaway has had a quiet camp too. With Kemp keeping a stranglehold on that #6 receiver spot, Callaway is looking like the odd man out.

ROOFLES

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...zwpic4ma8t.jpg

I hope Robinson runs up field this time and stop going backwards.

LMAO Kelce with the porn stache.

^^^ and I hope he quits palming the ball while running. Neon he aint

Mecole has a matching stache. Twinsies!

Callaway was making some noise before pads came on, then got hurt the second padded practice IIRC.

I think we PUP Callaway and stash him, deferring his release to sometime midseason.

As far as DRob goes, he's a lock for the roster this year purely do to familiarity, but I'm not expecting him to reach another level of success or anything. He's in his 6th year, so I think he kind of is what he is at this point - serviceable.

I think for our offense to reach an unprecedented level of greatness (better than '18), we'll need Hardman to up his game. Having a legitimate, trustworthy, every down, tried and true #3 receiving option will unlock God-Mode Patrick.

He's already going to have more time than ever before behind the new Oline, and with that, a stronger running game than we've seen since '18 (Hunt). The last stone in the glove is a stud #3 option.

I already think we'll be able to cobble great receptions together by platoon approach (Hardman, Gray, DRob, Bell, CEH, McKinnon) - but if Hardman steps up, it will make for the greatest QB season ever recorded.

Ah. I wasn't aware he was injured.

Bone bruise. I think someone said in the knee but cant confirm.

Especially with such a lack of off-season work last year. I’m excited for him this season.

From year 2 to year 3, Tyreek Hill’s stats improved by 30 catches, 300 yards, and 5 TDs.

I think people are overly concerned about WR2. That's option #3 in this offense if we ran it like 2019 and 2020. I think it's likely that CEH is option #3 in 2021. Gray, and Hardman and the rest all in the mix. I have no concerns.

My only concern is that we’re supposed to consult a physician if erections last more than 4 hours. I feel awful about the strain that we’re about to put on the hospital system this year.

Honestly, I think WR is our second weakest position group next to LBers until Gay and Bolton get up to speed. If we lose Tyreek for any stretch of time, this may be the worst WR corps in the league.