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Chargem 03-22-2018 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483098)
And apparently, you didn't read the very first comment:

Pretty poor article to be honest. It's stating the obvious and yet acts like it's really teaching something. It's also misleading. Your effective cap hit numbers are against a 51-man salary cap, not a 53-man salary cap. You also don't account for dead space due to guaranteed money when a player gets cut. I mean, honestly, who doesn't realize the concept that signing a Draft class means that they are beating out other players on the roster?

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If signing rookies was irrelevant to the Cap because 8-10 players would drop off the roster, why did the Chiefs need to cut Jeremy Maclin last year in order to create $10 million dollars in order to sign all of their rookies?

Again, there is some serious misunderstanding of the Rookie Salary Pool in this forum.

I don’t really understand the comment, there isn’t an immediate cut when you draft a guy right, so there is no impact to the dead cap. I can see that dead cap comes into it if you later cut a guy with guaranteed money, but doesn’t seem directly related to the draft?

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13482510)
Yeah I think he would be

Sadly it looks like other issues happening

Well, Albert Breer pointed out this morning that Tre Boston (who's not a fit, IMO) and Reid are both unsigned and it took a while for Morgan Burnett to get a deal, which is just $5 million per.

I'd like to hope that Veach is just letting the market determine the value for a guy like Reid and since they already have nearly $19 million wrapped up in Berry, Sorenson and Murray at this point, he'd like to get a guy on the cheap.

To me, it would be a serious bummer if the Chiefs pass on Reid, who would be an instant upgrade, because of kneeling.

bigjosh 03-22-2018 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483098)
And apparently, you didn't read the very first comment:

Pretty poor article to be honest. It's stating the obvious and yet acts like it's really teaching something. It's also misleading. Your effective cap hit numbers are against a 51-man salary cap, not a 53-man salary cap. You also don't account for dead space due to guaranteed money when a player gets cut. I mean, honestly, who doesn't realize the concept that signing a Draft class means that they are beating out other players on the roster?

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If signing rookies was irrelevant to the Cap because 8-10 players would drop off the roster, why did the Chiefs need to cut Jeremy Maclin last year in order to create $10 million dollars in order to sign all of their rookies?

Again, there is some serious misunderstanding of the Rookie Salary Pool in this forum.

I dont think that you are understanding it.
https://image.ibb.co/dcXTuc/top51.jpg

Only the top 51 salaries and dead money count towards the salary cap.

When you add 8 players in the draft, they will replace someone above the cutoff on this list and the replaced player gets bumped down a slot.

Example, if we draft someone at pick 22 in the second round at an estimated 901K salary. Leon McQuay would drop off the top 51, and his 555K would be relieved from the top 51 cap number, essentially making the 2nd round pick cost 346K more against the cap.

O.city 03-22-2018 12:12 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are expected to sign RB Damien Williams, per a source</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/976883874268696578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Red Dawg 03-22-2018 12:15 PM

Goodbye West.

bigjosh 03-22-2018 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13483241)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs are expected to sign RB Damien Williams, per a source</p>&mdash; Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) <a href="https://twitter.com/TerezPaylor/status/976883874268696578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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later charcandrick

Beef Supreme 03-22-2018 12:27 PM

I just hope DJ Chark and Charcandrick West end up on the same team so they can have Chark week.

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 13483218)
Only the top 51 salaries and dead money count towards the salary cap

I understand that but if that's the case, there would be absolutely no reason for a League Mandated Rookie Salary Cap within the actual salary cap.

DaneMcCloud 03-22-2018 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh (Post 13483218)
I dont think that you are understanding it.

In addition to my other comment, teams still need the Cap Space in order to actually sign the players.

They're not cutting the bottom 7 players, freeing up cap space, then signing their draft classes.

They need designated cap space to sign their draftees before the bottom salaries drop below 51.

bigjosh 03-22-2018 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13483370)
In addition to my other comment, teams still need the Cap Space in order to actually sign the players.

They're not cutting the bottom 7 players, freeing up cap space, then signing their draft classes.

They need designated cap space to sign their draftees before the bottom salaries drop below 51.

Hmm, i didnt know it worked like that. It wouldnt be the first time I have been wrong. I figured that every signing would automatically push someone off the top 51. Learn something every day.

Sure-Oz 03-22-2018 05:16 PM

@eric_d_williams: Scouts from 13 NFL teams confirmed by the school were on hand to watch Johnny Manziel throw at the University of San Diego's pro day: Bears, Browns, Chargers, Giants, Chiefs, Jets, Patriots, Raiders, Titans, Lions, Jaguars, Panthers and Bucs. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=2...059193422533-4

KChiefs1 03-22-2018 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13483693)
@eric_d_williams: Scouts from 13 NFL teams confirmed by the school were on hand to watch Johnny Manziel throw at the University of San Diego's pro day: Bears, Browns, Chargers, Giants, Chiefs, Jets, Patriots, Raiders, Titans, Lions, Jaguars, Panthers and Bucs. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=2...059193422533-4



Surely you jest.

Sassy Squatch 03-22-2018 05:27 PM

Ramik Wilson to Rams.

KChiefs1 03-22-2018 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 13483724)
Ramik Wilson to Rams.



They are building a defensive juggernaut!

UChieffyBugger 03-22-2018 05:41 PM

Eric Reid has said he will NOT be kneeling next season. So If feeble minds within the organization were concerned about that, then there are no excuses now.


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