Trent Green had 2 winning seasons out of 5, but people are quick to defend him.

The rule around here is that W/L don't matter when it's your QB, but it's everything when judging others.

And look its Carl Peterson.

As of April 2nd 2009, a franchise QB may still be a need. Better get it right now, cause once we hit 8-8 we may not have another chance to get one... short of doing it the Bears way.

Funny. Earlier in the thread, Mecca was defending Cutler saying if Denver would have had a respectable D, no one would be talking about his won/loss record. I didn't see anyone posting this stuff then.

I hear Ty Law is available and that Brandon Flowers only has one year experience.

We've been posting this for the better part of the last 48 hours.

But hey, I expect nothing less from this place.

If you mention Trent Green around here, all you hear is how he did everything he could - the defense let him down.

Then those same people criticize Cutler, when he had an almost identical defense, and went through 8 RB's.

Some people just can't get past the Denver connection, and will go to any length to discredit him. Without Cutler, the Broncos are fighting us for the cellar last year.

FTR, I have never said Cutler was a bad QB - that would be stupid. But between the diabetes thing and the fact that he's a surly, selfish punk, he has serious negative issues.

Another top notch WR? Who's the one they have.

He is a good QB, but I would not to start things off here with a moody, temperamental, diabetic, alcoholic QB. I would have liked to seen one of the wondertwins, sure. But it doesn't look that way after the Cassel trade....oh well. I'm not gonna hold my breath and stomp my feet because Pioli isn't doing it the way I, a FAN, see fit.

Lots of homo eroticism in here for a football forum.

TE. My bad. Hester can stretch the field. If the can get somebody in round 2, that passing attack could be pretty good. Especially with Forte out of the backfield.

Look, I see what you're saying, but it can't be both ways. Either wins are all that matters for a QB or not. The same people who say Roethlisberger is great because he wins even though he is average statistically and Trent Green wasn't good because he didn't win in the playoffs are making excuses for Cutler because his defense let him down?

I'm sorry, Chicago has one of the weakest receiving corps in the league.

There are still tons of stories about Cutler's drinking, right up through this past season. I'm not sure how explicity the story has been told, but he was supposedly spotted getting his goose on by someone in the Denver media the night before one of their final home games (which they lost in the midst of choking away the division).

I'd imagine stories like that will start getting repeated a little more freely now that he's gone. The alcohol issue was already cited by a local Denver station as one of the reasons McDaniels didn't want him, and while that particular report on its own may not be the most credible thing ever written, it's just another big cloud of smoke surrounding the fire.

It's not just the drinking itself, but the fact that his diagnosis hasn't changed his behavior. That's no small item and it's one of the major factors you have to consider when discussing Cutler's worth.

Which is why it's kind of funny to see people spending 7-8 pages talking about Cutler's value and then going "Whaaa? I never heard he drinks".

It's so funny to hear guys talk about quarterbacks and winning seasons or playoffs making them. No one player does it all. It doesn't matter. Was Trent Dilfer a great quarterback? Was Archie Manning not a great quarterback? I think that given a long enough starting career, Trent Green could have been a great quarterback. I think Cutler has the talent to be a great quarterback....we'll see if he has the temperment and brain cells to pull it off. He definitely has the arm and instincts for it. Put Tom Brady on the Falcons or the Bills, He's may be good, but not in the running for top 5 all time. IMO