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The Tom Dragon 02-09-2010 02:56 PM

doboshow you wanna play some xbl since this clown has clearly ducked out of this conversation

DBOSHO 02-09-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tom Dragon (Post 6519475)
doboshow you wanna play some xbl since this clown has clearly ducked out of this conversation

well i dont know who doboshow its but ill play.

Tango&Cash 02-09-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 6519458)
Wayne and Clark?

Or are you honestly telling me that you think Brady has had the same caliber of WRs/TEs/RBs that Manning has had.

I note that Branch, Givens and others haven't exactly lit it up since leaving Brady's side...

Brady lost a SB playing with the most dominating downfield threat WR this game has probably ever seen. This is the same season where all those passing/recv records were broken.

Amnorix 02-09-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6519377)
uhm...

he controlled the T.O.P. for 38 minutes against the 2nd best defense the NFL has seen in 20 years...and won MVP in the game.

What a ****ing myth that is...

Manning outplayed Brady (who through a season ending pick that year) in the AFC Championship game...and then played a marvelous game in the Super Bowl...they were down 7-0 and then he threw a 3rd and 20 pick on their first series...and then all he did after that was control the clock for 2/3 of the game and win in easy fashion against a defense that took Rex Grossman to the Super Bowl.

Manning was a pedestrian 25 for 38 with a TD and pick.

The Colts OL dominated the Bears, running for over 180 yards. Their defense, meanwhile, had two picks, one for a TD and held the offensively-challenged Bears (a fairly mediocre SB team, BTW) to less than 300 yards of total offense.

But yeah -- it was all Manning...

Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

Amnorix 02-09-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango&Cash (Post 6519480)
Brady lost a SB playing with the most dominating downfield threat WR this game has probably ever seen. This is the same season where all those passing/recv records were broken.

Did you watch his offensive line get dominated by the Giants DLine the entire game, or did you just not watch the game?

Given how little time he had, I thought Brady played very well. Better than Meltdown Manning likely would have.

Tango&Cash 02-09-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tom Dragon (Post 6519464)
if manning wasnt such a nice guy everyone in the world wouldnt be so pro-manning. the 1 SB he won its well known that his rbs/defense outplayed him but he still gets MVP and gives people reasons to be on his nuts

Yep you're right. Ben Roethlisberger is better than Peyton Manning because he's won 2 SB's. :rolleyes:

Manning wins awards for being nice. <=== best argument ever!!!

Tango&Cash 02-09-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 6519486)
Did you watch his offensive line get dominated by the Giants DLine the entire game, or did you just not watch the game?

Given how little time he had, I thought Brady played very well. Better than Meltdown Manning likely would have.

I saw it, the Oline played horrible. Brady and the offense still choked.

See there are other aspects to the game than just the QB's. But you can go as far as saying that Manning prob would have thrown their defense off guard with his audbles and changing at the line etc. No one does that like Manning, not even Brady.

I can go on and say that the Colts defenses in 2002-03 etc have prevented Manning from going to more SB's than he's been in.

Amnorix 02-09-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango&Cash (Post 6519516)
I saw it, the Oline played horrible. Brady and the offense still choked.

Eh? Bit of a nonsequitur there. I agree the OFFENSE choked because the OLine got dominated. Couldn't run the ball worth a damn and Brady had no time.

But that's Brady's fault? That's a joke, to be honest.

Did you knwo the Patriots had FORTY-FIVE (45) yards rushing that game? Average of 2.8 yards. And even though Brady was under pressure all day and sacked five freaking times, he threw ZERO picks.

How many did Manning throw the other day against the Saints when his jersey barely got dirty all day? Oh right, just the one I guess...

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See there are other aspects to the game than just the QB's.
Yeah, like the Giants defense playing out of their minds and dominating the Patriots OLine. But Brady still scoring the late go ahead TD. And then the defense giving up the game winning drive to the Giants, including "helmet catch". But presumably Brady should've audibled to Rodney Harrison that that was coming, because that's what Peyton would have done.

Of course, none of this has resulted in anything more than one SB win for Peyton -- a game in which he had a thoroughly pedestrian performance by the way -- in his career, but that's ok. His sweat smells like roses too....

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But you can go as far as saying that Manning prob would have thrown their defense off guard with his audbles and changing at the line etc. No one does that like Manning, not even Brady.
No one in competition fo rthe GOAT throws picks in key games like Manning either, certainly not Brady.

I can go on and say that the Colts defenses in 2002-03 etc have prevented Manning from going to more SB's than he's been in.[/quote]

You didn't see the Patriots 2002 defense much did you? Or '05... Or '09 for that matter. It wasn't pretty, really. No pressure on QBs and a serious problem with stopping the run.

L.A. Chieffan 02-09-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tom Dragon (Post 6519380)
pre pollard? isn't it odd because he had a bad defense he automatically sucks now...he had his second best season in every passing category

no, him getting hurt has no relation to his defenses ability
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Touchdown Bowe 02-09-2010 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 6519334)
This argument is dead.

Try to follow along.

Harrison retires.

Enter Garcon and Collie.

Suddenly both look like all-pro caliber receivers...

Hmm...

Wonder what the common denominator is?

I'd give the credit to Bill Polian, who's one of the best talent evaluators in the game..

Touchdown Bowe 02-09-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6518963)
Give me a ****ing break.

Peyton Manning is a terrific QB who played a decent game, but was just one-upped by another outstanding QB.

These claims that this Super Bowl makes him any less of a QB are beyond ridiculous.

Super Bowls aren't easy to win. You have to have just the right level of talent on all sides of the ball and have just the right amount of bounces. Hell, even Tom Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl in umpteen years.

Peyton Manning is a clutch quarterback and I still think he goes down in history as the greatest QB of all time. Regardless of the fact that he (and not his coaching staff) is most responsible for the loss on Sunday.

And the Colts dont? Top 3 o line in the league, Wayne, Clark, Collie, Garcon & Addai..then Freeney, Mathis, Brackett, and a highly underrated secondary..thats enough talent..Peyton just crumbles under the spotlight damn near everytime

Halfcan 02-09-2010 04:13 PM

Best part of the SB was watching mangina throw the pick to seal the loss-thats gonna leave a mark on his rep-lol

Tango&Cash 02-09-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 6519556)
You didn't see the Patriots 2002 defense much did you? Or '05... Or '09 for that matter. It wasn't pretty, really. No pressure on QBs and a serious problem with stopping the run.

HAHA, comparing the Pats defense to the Colts is just laughable. The Pats defense had more influence on their SB victories than Brady did.

Of course nothing will change your mind. You're a Pats fan.

Switch Peyton and Tom Badass to the other team and Peyton has more SB's the Brady. not even close.

DBOSHO 02-09-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango&Cash (Post 6519480)
Brady lost a SB playing with the most dominating downfield threat WR this game has probably ever seen. This is the same season where all those passing/recv records were broken.

Tom put the team up with less than 2 minutes to go, and it took 2 miracles in the same play to put the giants on top.

DBOSHO 02-09-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tango&Cash (Post 6519800)
HAHA, comparing the Pats defense to the Colts is just laughable. The Pats defense had more influence on their SB victories than Brady did.

Of course nothing will change your mind. You're a Pats fan.

Switch Peyton and Tom Badass to the other team and Peyton has more SB's the Brady. not even close.

What makes you so sure?


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