Based on those signs, we have several serial killers here at CP. :eek:

A noise complaint.
A smashed window.

You can't conclude that Jovan Belcher was a sick man with a history of violence from that. He never hurt a woman before he shot Kasandra or if he did, it was never reported. He was also never arrested to my knowledge (I'm still waiting for you to show me the facts on that.)

I don't have anything personal against you, Dane, I just had to call you out on this because it was getting pretty ridiculous.

His closest friends had no idea he was capable of doing something like that and if we're going to start theorizing, I don't think Javon had any idea either. That's probably why he shot himself in the end.

I think there are just too many variables here. He was obviously a very passionate individual. He was suffering from pain and head trauma. We will see what the autopsy reports show, he might have been drunk and on a bunch of Oxycodone or Hydrocodone. Who knows?

Hahaha. I don't remember that, but if I threatened to kick your ass, I assure you I was just kidding. I don't think I could kick your ass if I wanted to and I never have.

So, the SI article was inconclusive?

:shake:

This wasn't a random act of violence. The guy had one face for his professional career and one face for his personal life.

His lifelong friends say they knew nothing about his gun fascination, let alone the fact he owned nine guns.

The guy was jacked up.

Dane, take a step back and take an objective look at the situation.

Imagine there is no murder-suicide and there's a guy out there who smashed a window a long time ago while drunk in college.

Imagine that guy was also involved in a shouting match with his girlfriend in a separate incident and the neighbors called the police because of the noise.

Imagine this guy was very responsible in college, played football and took a serious major as opposed to an easy-A, athlete major.

He was never in any sort of trouble and by all accounts was a high-character guy.

Would you honestly deem this guy as some sort of a threat to those around him?

Also, there was a quote in one of the articles you, yourself, linked attributed to Javon in which he discussed his collection of guns with a friend or an acquaintance. I don't think his collection was any sort of a dark secret.

I've got some 14 oz gloves and headgear that you two could borrow. Hard to get too hammered with this equipment. I'll take winner if anyone's in my weight category (245 lbs). Marquess of Queensberry rules. Loser buys the beers. (I kid. Unless someone just wants to buy beers all around.)

Sounds like the herd needs to be thinned...

Only the ones he loved the most.

:(

You're right about this. Some people have a hard time reeling in their emotions and looking at these things objectively.

fyp

Not too soon for that one to be funny.

Completely agree.

I didn't see this anywhere so I will put it here

Transcript:

Dispatcher: You did the right thing. [Simultaneous talking] We need the address.

Caller: The address is [redacted]. Yes. Please get the ambulance here. Please. [redacted] Oh God, Kasi.

Dispatcher: We have a shooting at [redacted]. it sounds like. Ma'am, her name is [redacted]? Is it an apartment?

Caller: It's a house! [Inaudible] Please hurry!

Dispatcher: Ma'am? Let me see if I can help you. Are you with the baby now? [Simultaneous talking] We're on the way. We've been on the way the whole time. How old is the patient?
Caller: 22.

Dispatcher: Male or female?

Caller: Female.

Dispatcher: Is she breathing?

Caller: She's still breathing but barely. Please hurry. I don't know how many times he shot her. They were arguing.

Dispatcher: So she's been shot?

Caller: Yes. (To victim) The ambulance is on the way! You hear me? You hear this? Fight!

Dispatcher: Is she awake? Does she hear what you're saying?

Caller: Yes. She's moving when I talk to her.

Dispatcher: Is she bleeding?

Caller: Yes, she is. (baby crying in background)

Dispatcher: Where is she bleeding from?

Caller: I can't tell - in the back, it looks like.

Dispatcher: OK. We don't want - Go ahead. Where is your son at?

Caller: (Inaudible) Just get the ambulance here, please.

Dispatcher: We're on the way. Where is your son at?

Caller: He left.

Dispatcher: He left?

Caller: Yes.

Dispatcher: OK, they were arguing and he shot her?

Caller: Yes, yes, they were arguing.

Dispatcher: OK. What's your son's name?

Caller: [Redacted] Please just get the ambulance here.

Dispatcher: Ma'am...

Caller: I have to get the baby.

Dispatcher: What kind of car did your son leave in? Or is he on foot? ... Sounds like she disconnected. She doesn't want to answer questions. Ma'am, are you there? ... Ma'am?

Shortly afterward, a call came from Arrowhead Stadium, where Belcher had apparently already committed suicide.

Partial Transcript:

Caller: Hello. We need a Code One ambulance although they think he's probably dead.
Number 1 Arrowhead Drive - that's the practice field at the Chiefs Stadium. It's a self-inflicted shooting. It's a done deal. They've got a player that shot himself.

Dispatcher: A player?

Caller: Yeah.

Dispatcher: What parking lot?

Caller: They still need you.

Dispatcher: We're on our way.

Audio: http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylt=Arx5b_6...r911call1a.mp3

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...9894--nfl.html

"she doesnt want to answer questions/herp"

Yeah, she probably didnt, i'm sure its very hard to focus at a time like that, a loved one is dying in front of you, the baby is screaming in the background...