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The Bad Guy 07-13-2016 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12314017)
okay then you are just proving my point more that Today's NBA is even worse because it's just a bunch of hired guns assembling to teams with the 1 of 3 superstar players drafted that are currently their prime. That's even WORSE.

Everyone just flock to Curry and Lebron. Rest of the markets are left picking the scraps of mediocre talent.

You think ChiefsCountry is going to criticize the model that got his team titles?

Fat chance.

And if you think the 80s/90s NBA wasn't 10x more competitive than this product, you clearly didn't watch it back then.

ChiefsCountry 07-13-2016 01:52 PM

Lakers bought a dynasty by signing Shaq. Whoever has the top player is going to win in the NBA. It's the most star driven sport in the world. One or two teams are always going to be the favorites most years and it has always been that way, especially when the top player is in his prime.

BigCatDaddy 07-13-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12314017)
okay then you are just proving my point more that Today's NBA is even worse because it's just a bunch of hired guns assembling to teams with the 1 of 3 superstar players drafted that are currently their prime. That's even WORSE.

Everyone just flock to Curry and Lebron. Rest of the markets are left picking the scraps of mediocre talent.

I didn't know that was your.point but if so I agree. Todays NBA is worse entertainment wise and with parity.

mcaj22 07-13-2016 02:12 PM

yea but the late 80s and early 90s might have had the same 3 teams winning all the time but the league was filled with future hall of famers.

Every player on the 1992 Dream Team is a hall of famer but one (Laettner) and they were distributed out to 9 NBA teams.

and that's not even begining to talk about the Hall of Famers that were snubbed from that team (Isiah, Shaq, Rodman, etc)

How many guys on the current USA Olympic team do you think will be hall of famers? Harrison Barnes LOL? DeRozan LOL? Deandre Jordan? LOL (obviously the counter here is that the 6-7 NBA players worth a crap all withdrew, even then you still wouldn't get a full team of hall of famers unless you added the Wades/Dirks at the end of their careers, which I guess would count since that's how Bird got on the 1992 team)


If you have a team that has Jordan/Pippen like the Warriors have with Curry/Durant (and friends), there isn't a team in the league with a Stockton/Malone or a Isiah/Rodman or a Hakeem/Clyde (and friends), or a Shaq/Penny

it's just Lebron and his boys, that's literally it. There is no other market that has a tandem that can even stack up and make it to the finals.

mcaj22 07-13-2016 02:21 PM

We are in a bubble right now in the sport where the legends are too old (Dirk, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Garnett etc) and are starting to call it a career

and the young future stars are too young (KAT, Wiggins, Prozingas, Simmons, Ingram, Davis, etc)

and the current prime of their careers talent is too thin (Curry, Thompson, Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Leonard, CP3)

so you have a vacuum of such a small number of eligible win now types until the young talent becomes the future prime talent and shifts the market values.

Mav 07-13-2016 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 12314081)
yea but the late 80s and early 90s might have had the same 3 teams winning all the time but the league was filled with future hall of famers.

Every player on the 1992 Dream Team is a hall of famer but one (Laettner) and they were distributed out to 9 NBA teams.

and that's not even begining to talk about the Hall of Famers that were snubbed from that team (Isiah, Shaq, Rodman, etc)

How many guys on the current USA Olympic team do you think will be hall of famers? Harrison Barnes LOL? DeRozan LOL? Deandre Jordan? LOL


If you have a team that has Jordan/Pippen like the Warriors have with Curry/Durant (and friends), there isn't a team in the league with a Stockton/Malone or a Isiah/Rodman or a Hakeem/Clyde (and friends), or a Shaq/Penny

it's just Lebron and his boys, that's literally it. There is no other market that has a tandem that can even stack up and make it to the finals.



I think Kyrie Lebron is very much on that level of Curry Durant.


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saphojunkie 07-13-2016 02:52 PM

Cavs is more built than the Warriors. That's weird to think about.

mcaj22 07-13-2016 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 12314096)
I think Kyrie Lebron is very much on that level of Curry Durant.

Yea I agree

then what's after that

Curry/Durant
Kyrie/Lebron

HUGE GAP



CP3/Blake?

What's after that....

an even bigger gap


Conley/Gasol?
Lowry/Derozan?
Kawhi/Aldridge?
Paul George/Teague?
Lillard/CJ?
Westbrook/Adams?
James Harden/Ryan Anderson (LOL)

whatever's after that would be a laughable joke or is just too young. (Wiggins/Kat, Prozingas/Old Players, Simmons/250 Centers, Russel/Ingram)

ChiefsCountry 07-13-2016 02:54 PM

Olympic team is barely taking 1 or 2 of the top 10 NBA players.

Leaving the Spurs out is a mistake. Leonard and Aldridge with Gasol is a major threat. Indiana has quietly built a nice squad. Clippers are a talented headcase. LeBron is just so dominant and the next two are on the same squad with two more top 15.

Al Bundy 07-13-2016 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12314138)
Cavs is more built than the Warriors. That's weird to think about.

The Warriors have one superstar type of guy that they didn't draft and develop.....

mcaj22 07-13-2016 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12314144)
Olympic team is barely taking 1 or 2 of the top 10 NBA players.

Leaving the Spurs out is a mistake. Leonard and Aldridge with Gasol is a major threat. Indiana has quietly built a nice squad. Clippers are a talented headcase. LeBron is just so dominant and the next two are on the same squad with two more top 15.

Aldridge has played with other stars before and was too soft to win anything, whats going to change.

If you really find Leornard/Aldridge with a roster of 35 year old NBA players as a threat to the Warriors then youre crazy

OldSchool 07-13-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 12314145)
The Warriors have one superstar type of guy that they didn't draft and develop.....

Yup.

'Hamas' Jenkins 07-13-2016 04:03 PM

The NBA now is every bit as good as it ever was. Basketball from 1994 through the lockout was goddamned awful to watch because Pat Riley basically ruined the ****ing NBA by having a team full of hatchet men get away with murder while the refs pegged their assholes with their whistles.

List the top 20 players in 1993 or 1998 and compare them to the top 20 players today and show me the big difference, because I don't see one.

Al Bundy 07-13-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12314236)
The NBA now is every bit as good as it ever was. Basketball from 1994 through the lockout was goddamned awful to watch because Pat Riley basically ruined the ****ing NBA by having a team full of hatchet men get away with murder while the refs pegged their assholes with their whistles.

List the top 20 players in 1993 or 1998 and compare them to the top 20 players today and show me the big difference, because I don't see one.

Exactly... basketball from 1993 or so until the lockout was awful. People couldn't shoot and so they just tried to win a game 75-68.

Pitt Gorilla 07-13-2016 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 12314236)
The NBA now is every bit as good as it ever was. Basketball from 1994 through the lockout was goddamned awful to watch because Pat Riley basically ruined the ****ing NBA by having a team full of hatchet men get away with murder while the refs pegged their assholes with their whistles.

List the top 20 players in 1993 or 1998 and compare them to the top 20 players today and show me the big difference, because I don't see one.

This exactly. Allen Iverson drug a team of nobodies to the NBA freaking finals one year. That Knicks team had Oakley, Smith, Ewing, and Mason up front.


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