Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17608225)

Imagine saying this 2 years ago, Mo would have sent someone to your house to kill you in your sleep. Of course they would probably be incompetent and kill the neighbor instead but anyway...….

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17608224)

There's no cavalry coming, fellas.

The system is about as mediocre as the big league roster. They'll fast-track Wetherholt but even he is someone that makes a good team better; he doesn't make a mediocre team good.

The only thing that could make this team relevant would be a series of hail mary's.

1) Jordan Walker un-****s himself and becomes a genuine middle of the order bat.

2) Nolan Arenado wakes the **** up and starts playing hard again.

3) Tink Hence, Quinn Matthews, Tekoah Roby and/or Conner Hjerpe develop (essentially overnight) into viable top half of the rotation starters. You need 2 of those guys to be post-season capable starting pitchers.

4) I won't even talk about the laughable possibility of Juan Soto being a Cardinal. Or even Corbin Burnes. But maybe Pete Alonso (who's probably not a good fit for the park). Maybe Max Fried as a solid #2 starter? Maybe Bellinger as a starting CFer? A flyer on Walker Buehler that works out?

If literally every one of those things happen, this team can win 90+ games and maybe be ornery in the post-season.

I wouldn't be surprise if not a single one of them comes to fruition.

Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17608225)

Imagine saying this 2 years ago, Mo would have sent someone to your house to kill you in your sleep. Of course they would probably be incompetent and killed the neighbor instead but anyway...….

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17608249)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> have traded Dylan Carlson to the Rays in exchange for reliever Shawn Armstrong, per sources. <a href="https://t.co/JNhJCpgbcK">pic.twitter.com/JNhJCpgbcK</a></p>&mdash; 101 ESPN St. Louis (@101espn) <a href="https://twitter.com/101espn/status/1818407474258469248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17608226)

LOGJAM!!!

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 17608262)

Giving up Carlson for a reliever who is a FA in 2025 is ****ing dumb as shit, but, his underlying metrics make it seem he hasn't as bad he's performed this year. His FIP is 2 runs lower than his ERA and his BABIP is insanely high.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17608328)

DJ,
Is this guys analyst skills worth a shit?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shawn Armstrong in ‘23 was one of the best relievers in baseball and he’s been pretty bad in ‘24. <br><br>Perhaps, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> see something they can help get him back his ‘23 form. <a href="https://t.co/qOKeNFScQQ">pic.twitter.com/qOKeNFScQQ</a></p>&mdash; Cardinal Metrics (@CardinalMetrics) <a href="https://twitter.com/CardinalMetrics/status/1818408622860198193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 17608328)

DJ,
Is this guys analyst skills worth a shit?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shawn Armstrong in ‘23 was one of the best relievers in baseball and he’s been pretty bad in ‘24. <br><br>Perhaps, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> see something they can help get him back his ‘23 form. <a href="https://t.co/qOKeNFScQQ">pic.twitter.com/qOKeNFScQQ</a></p>&mdash; Cardinal Metrics (@CardinalMetrics) <a href="https://twitter.com/CardinalMetrics/status/1818408622860198193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17608972)

Nope.

Not a silver lining to be found.

The only surprise is that an organization like the Rays hasn't DFAd him already.

Compare Armstrongs statcast page to Gallegos - Gallegos has been better.

Gio's xERA was a full run better. xBA is 35 points better. Whiff rate is better, barrel and hard hit rates are better. groundball rate is better. Gio's total pitching run value is better.

Gio, under the hood, has been CLEARLY better than Armstrong and we DFA'd him only so we can acquire a shittier version of him.

There's really no justifying this deal. Armstrong is trash and there's nothing to suggest he ever won't be. And if your system doesn't have a half dozen guys that can outperform this scrub...well, it's just another reason Mozeliak should be fired.

It's truly indicative of how bulletproof Mozeliak is. He KNOWS the Rays will get 3 WAR out of Carlson. He knows this is going to be another major L for him. And he just doesn't care - because DeWitt isn't going to hold him accountable for it.