Actually, I think the KC defense is better than the Raven's defense this season. They're missing a lot of pieces. They're also missing Boldin on the offense.

They're only missing two future HOF'ers.

They won't miss a step at all!

JakeAlexPantySniffer thinks the Chiefs have a chance against Denver this year.

Wish I could say I'm surprised.

Alex Smith. 5.0 yards per attempt - the 2nd lowest of any QB this weekend.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

He can do better, he just didn't need to. Learn football!

Al Davis?

26 point lead, and the D was stuffing Jacksonville. No upside to long passes, and plenty of downside. Why would you want to throw low percentage (25%) passes with a 75% chance of stopping the clock in that situation? Just so you can feel good that your QB has a higher YPA? That is stupid.

There's no downside against JAX. They didn't have a prayer of doing anything against the Chiefs D.

Some people will never learn until it's too late. I can't wait to see the excuses when the Chiefs are down big and Alex is hitting 3 yard checkdowns on 3rd and long.

That low YPA against a JV team should be a concern.

Matt Cassel apologists 2009-2012

I think they do have a chance. There's a huge difference between that and saying they SHOULD win.

I guess you haven't watched enough football to understand that upsets are possible. I can't say I'm surprised.

and Tom Brady averaged 5.5 YPA against the mighty Bills. What's your point?

Broncos are on another level dude. Even the 9ers would lose to them.

Alex isn't awful. But he ain't gonna win a shootout with Manning. Unless he gets 5 turnovers from the defense to help him out.

Somebody better teach Peyton. He didn't get the message.

Should have checked down more, obviously. What was he thinking? Protect the lead.

Tom Brady's track record= Alex Smith's track record

:homer:

No.

2nd worst in the NFL.

Capice?

It is very hard to play football and have only 5 yards per attempt.

Ponder was better.
Jake Locker was better.
Pryor was better.
Geno Smith was better
EJ Manuel was better.
Brandon "freaking" Weeden was better.

Are you NOT seeing a problem with this?

You have an 8 year Vet and he is still throwing the shortest passes in almost all of football but for one guy more pathetic.

C'mon. That is laughable. It is embarrassing. It is beyond baffling. An 8 year vet and rookies like Geno Smith and EJ Manuel are blowing him away, never mind bums like Locker and Weeden. And you make excuses for that?

Endless Alexcuses are endless.

Never mind. You will learn grasshopper. You will learn. The hard way of course. "Wow, my QB can't beat Jake Locker or Christian Ponder in yards per attempt, meaningless or not. Whoopee weeeeee!"


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You can be embarrassed because they played to win, not get useless stats, but not me. I'm happy with the win.

If Alex had a track record, I'd write it off as a " he played it safe against a terrible team and coasted to win" type of analysis after this one.

Problem is, I know him too well. When Peyton is firing strike after strike, is he going to alter his game, or be the same old Alex of 8 years?

We shall see.

Smith was averaging 7.97 YPA last season before he was knocked out with the concussion in week 9. Not bad considering Manning averaged 7.99.

With a much better supporting cast than he has in KC, and certainly not in a similar volume as Manning.

Like I said, the 5.1 YPA isn't gonna last, but he's not a guy you can count on to perform well when you need to sling it around.

Good news is the KC defense looks really ****ing good, jaguars offense or not. Hali, Houston, Devito, Flowers, Berry. You guys got a top 5 D this year I would say.

Can they contain Denver? We shall see.

Splatbass:

When the Chiefs start losing games because Alex Smith is a feckless near-sighted game manager who seemingly refuses to go for the jugular when he needs to, are you going to be honest with yourself and admit that his faults are what will prevent this team from truly being good?

You are assuming that is a foregone thing, I am not. We will see. I think you are blinded by hate for the guy that kept us, in your mind, from getting Geno. You are not objective. I am.

If he starts sucking I will say so, unlike you who can't let yourself be happy with a win.

Phillip Rivers

Eli Manning

Matt Ryan

RGIII

Aaron Rodgers

That's exactly it. I just can't imagine living with so much hate and resentment. Over a football team. Guys like this should stop what they are doing and get into coaching or GMing. They know so much more than the current management and are doing all of us a disservice by keeping their talents from us.

Should find better things to be hateful towards.

Let 'em burn.

Crash and burn.

You don't like the start of this KINGDOM. Your no Chiefs fan. Stupid is as stupid does.

Right on, Kelly!

Is your vag tight or loose? Hairy or shaved?

Hottie, MILF or GILF?

These are just standard Chiefsplanet initiation questions.

Thanks in advance.

Hairy, loose and none of the above.

And it appears she is not very educated either.

No thanks.

LMFAO @ Dane

he's one of my favorites even if he is full reerun this year

No, full reerun are the ones still pining for their lost love Geno.

How many kids do you have?

Better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.

I'LL NEVER LOVE ANOTHER RETREAD GAME MANAGER EVER AGAIN AS LONG AS I LIVE

Puppy love is so cute. But you will eventually grow out of it, when you are older and can use the big boy potty all by yourself.

Yeah, he really dropped the ball against the saints in 2011 when Brees was chewing up the defense. Total choke artist too...did you see that game against Detroit or Philly? Sheesh. Only 6 comebacks that season.

- Brees, Thomas, and the ST coughed up 5 turnovers. And only lost by 4. Not a banner day for alex especially considering how awful that nawlins defense was.

-Lions? He threw for like 140. You ****ing kidding me?

-Eagles. One of the rare games where I tip my hat to a passing performance by Alex Smith.

Anyone with half a brain knows that this has no relevance. Why? I'll point it out...

Regardless of what happened prior... this is where the game was...

start of the 4th quarter...

The score is 20-14 SF lead

Saints drive and kick a FG... 20-17

SF drive fails... NOLA drive fails...

SF drives for a FG... up 23-17

NOLA drives for a 3 min. TD... they take the lead 24-23

4 minutes left in game..

SF then drives for a TD to take back the lead... 4 passes/2 runs.. 29-24 SF lead

2 minutes left in the game...

NOLA scores another TD in 34 seconds... takes lead back 32-29

now there's 1:37 left in the game..

SF drives quickly and with all passes.. gets into easy FG range to tie the game...

Safe and timid Alex Smith... who allegedly doesn't throw into tight coverage... doesn't settle for something safe with eyes on that FG tie... no.. he zips a bullet into VD's chest in the EZ with 9 seconds left... SF wins!


Everything in the game that happened prior... does lead up to the final outcome... but that 4th quarter? The score was close.. and both QBs were moving their team and taking the lead back. One of them got the last laugh.... and oh, was it sweet!

I'll admit now that will probably happen but, I still think we'll win more than we'll lose and he gives us our best shot. Superbowls are extremely hard to get to let alone win. We have to start a winning culture and Alex can do that. Most teams don't go from zero to Superbowl and we did pick #1 for a reason. We need to start winning consistently. That's the #1 goal.

It's kind of ironic that some of the people with the lowest expectations have the highest expectations at the same time.

See signature.

I watched those playoff losses too but, I'll take the 90's over the first decade of the 2000's every time.

It's too bad there isn't a third option :facepalm:

You do understand that 15 teams have never won a Superbowl right? At least we won one.

I'm not talking about your third option until we earn the right to. I think it's funny when Chiefs fans even say the word. It's ****ing hard to win the Superbowl.

It's really ****ing hard and it almost always takes years of building.

Sure, but it doesn't mean you don't build towards that unless your goal is well, my signature.

People were dying of polio back then

Back to your cage Chimpionship. One more Faider loss should do the trick.

You don't just build through talent. You build by winning consistently. The goal isn't to win the Superbowl this year. Not yet anyway. Reid and Dorsey both said it is going to be three years before we are a legit contender. I expect a similar run as Marty and Carl had in the early 90's but, hopefully we win this time in the 4th year.

1. 1990 - Wildcard
2. 1991 - Divisional run
3. 1992 - Wildcard
4. 1993 - AFC Championship run

This probably isn't going to happen overnight. If Alex is what's holding us back, Dorsey will get someone else. Just like Carl did.

There is no use in talking Superbowls yet imo. It's not realistic.

Pioli chose the wrong QB and it was indicative of his overall incompetence. If Reid has chosen the wrong QB to lead the franchise, he's incompetent and will fail. Either Reid knows what he is doing, or he doesn't. Time will tell.

In other words, all the Alex Smith hate should be focused on Andy Reid (and John Dorsey).

Yeah, I'm sure those awesome Jacksonville DB's would have put them right back in the game. Herp.

It's Andy's man-crush alone. Focus your hatred correctly when the Axl-FAILOLI insues.

Focus your hate on that turd hef and the Softcos

How can you use this as logic when he has been top 3 in the league the last two seasons.

Nope. Dorsey has stated publicly the Alex Smith was the no-brainer choice to lead the Chiefs (paraphrasing obviously, but he said it).

Don't let facts get in the way of things.

7.9 last season.

Dude, we'll be damned lucky to come in 2nd, and to split the uprights in a nail-biter victory against that team.

Of course, everything depends on Manning and if that falls apart...

Who was hired first?

He will sling it when he has to. Against the pitiful Jags, he didn't have to. Ergo, the stats, from game one.

Alice Smith fans still think 5.1 YPA will be good enough to win against the Broncos.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

My prediction for Alice Smith's stats against the Broncos on November 17th:

17-35, 187 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT.

CAN'T WAIT.

Still wish Alice is the starting QB for the Niners, Alicesmithdoug?

PYMWYMI?

8 posts and you're on my ignore? Now THAT'S efficiency.

I don't get it.

ROFL Who says I'm not happy with the win? I'll even say that Alex Smith played pretty well in that game.

Alex Smith is simply a QB who will take the safe throw over the explosive throw every single time, even when the situations at the time call for the explosive throw. That's who he's been as a QB. Plain and simple.

If he wants to change now and NOT be that QB, I would love it. I think he would have a shot at being the top 10 kind of starting QB we need to seriously compete.

I have strong doubts that will happen, though. How many QBs start out their careers like Alex Smith and then just pick up and change QBing habits just like that when there's a change in coach, team, and/or surrounding players?

Drew Brees didn't change the way he plays the game when he went to New Orleans. Neither did Trent Green going from Wash to St. Louis to KC. MAYBE you can make the case for Michael Vick.

ROFL

What the hell kind of a stupid ass question is that, "Alice Smith"? Of course not.

Troy Aikman

Bart Starr

Steve DeBerg

Otto Graham

Kevin Kolb

They all lost in Week One, yet they're considered "Gun Slingers".

There isn't "One Way" to win in the NFL.

Rivers had 194 yards passing last night in a loss but he's considered, at least on Chiefsplanet, to be "superior" to Alex Smith.

The bottom line is that Smith's abilities are a perfect fit for Reid's WCO. Whether they reach the ultimate goal is yet to be seen. But I can't fault Reid and Dorsey for getting "their guy", who to date, looks to be the same exact guy from 2011 and 2012, not the guy from 2005.

It is incredible that, the Browns and Lions have never PLAYED IN a super bowl. Brutal. At least the Texans have the excuse that they are a fairly new team.

What are guys with goofy haircuts, Alex?

Alex Smith didn't start this way. His second year in the league he was more the gun slinger type because that's who Norv tried to make him be.

Then starting in 2009, until last season, he has gotten better every single year.

I don't see that changing this year either. I don't think his rating will be over 104, but he is who he is. Super efficient, and the bottom line is, the guy wins.

The team around him is good enough right now, that he isn't going to have to be the man very often.

Sure, its not pretty, certainly not like Eli throwing for 400 in a loss, or Kap for 400 in a win, or 7 tds. But who really cares except the FF crowd?

You have a point there. Touche. I watched him check down and throw short on 3rd & long so often, I had brain fade.

You better keep an eye on this -- it could be a new trend now that Alex is being asked to pass more and, you know, actually help carry a team.

Possibly. I'm still looking for a way to relate them.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Of course, you as a Marty Schottenheimer guy would feel some of my pain im sure.

Which, begs the question. Why do you find it odd that I followed Alex Smith, yet you followed Marty. If I may ask.

Both guys never having played, or coached a super bowl that is.

There is so much sense in this post Dane. But then again you are using intelligence and logic on an audience where this appears to be over the head of some.

Raiders fan from '74 to '80.

Niners fan from '81 to present.

(The Raiders left me by moving to LA - I didn't leave them!)

No team or player has ever caused me any pain but my favorite team and their players & coaches. My pain stemmed from the Steel Curtain and the Cowboys dynasty.

Marty is FAR from the only HC I liked and paid attention to.

It would be a stretch to say I "followed" Marty Schottenheimer anywhere. It is one thing to be intrigued by the progress and workings of a head coach. It is another to defend his ever move on every sports forum I log onto. I hope you can see the difference.

I liked Marty Schottenheimer. I liked Jon Gruden too & paid attention in Tampa Bay. I liked & read up on Joe Gibbs even through I hated the Redskins. I liked Dick Vermeil. I liked Holmgren and Fisher and Flores and Reeves.

There are just some coaches I liked and paid attention to over the years. Marty was just one.

As a 49ers fan, nobody beats Walsh or comes close to him, so there is that too.

Translation: I agree with your point so I'm going to kiss your ass.

Hmmmm....Maybe you could take your own advice. As you can see on this forum, compare me to other Alex Smith defenders. If you look really closely, and past your bias and perhaps go do a little research on your own forum, you will see you have had me wrong the entire time.

When you say "perfect fit", I'm sure you mean out of those readily available in the spring of 2013. I realize you know Alex Smith is not the ideal NFL QB and it is not as though Brady or Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Flacco, Eli or Luck couldn't run Andy's WCO, and do it far better than Alex Smith.

Call me super sensitive.

I spent a couple of years arguing with people who said Alex Smith was "perfect" for Jim Harbaugh's WCO and that Jim wanted a "run first" balanced offense and had no desire to put up fantasy football passing numbers.

Kaepernick's 412 yard game disproves that theory completely. Every HC want the best QB he can get. Andy would love somebody like Brady who could run his WCO and give him far more options to expand it as well.

Just putting the "perfect fit" in context. I suffered through hearing it used literally for 2 years. Alex is a good fit of what was available. I'm sure Andy would drop Alex unceremoniously for Peyton or Brees.

I'd rather have Smith than Rivers, but that's beside the point.

The issue at hand isn't whether or not Alex Smith can be efficient and productive like he was for the past 1.5 seasons. Even the haters recognize that it's very likely he'll be just as good as he was in San Francisco, and perhaps even a notch better. It's whether or not Alex Smith can keep up his completion percentage and efficiency while attempting more critical strikes when the situation calls for them. I'm fully aware that during the Jacksonville game there never arose the demand for challenging the safeties deep, or attempting the 20-yard strike to Bowe instead of the 5-yard slant to McCluster. I'm just saying... Alex Smith typically has never been defined as a QB who will take those risks, even though he absolutely has the ability to convert them.

Also, you're right (again) that there's no one way to play QB or draft a team or build a champion in the league. But there's the typical way that defines most Super Bowl champions. I don't think we've had a non-gunslinger win a Super Bowl since the 2004 version of Tom Brady, and even then he was willing to step on the gas far more than the current version of Alex Smith. Same goes for Brad Johnson. If we want a QB below that, we'd have to go back to Dilfer.

I already said that Alex has a chance to change his habits, particularly as KC improves to the point of being a playoff team in the next 1-3 seasons. But just because he's in a good position with Reid doesn't mean it should be assumed he'll BE that guy. Again, looking back to his history as a starting QB, he's NOT.

Yeah, I guess that's while still having McNabb in 04 he really liked him then, tried to trade for him with Vick still there, and went out and got him this year.

im sure he agrees with you whole heartedly.

Your assessment that he isn't even a good qb, is what is laughable to me.

You look at embarrassing qb situations right now.

Tennessee, Vikings, Jags, Tampa Bay, Oakland, you think those teams wouldn't love to have Alex Smith over what they have?

You are kidding yourself.

Alex Smith is not elite. Obviously, but hes not the dog shit you have tried for years to make him out to be. And obviously, your love of Kap and his boss performance reinforces that notion. Im sure you have had a blast shoving that down anyone who respects alex smiths throat this week.

I can almost read your posts verbatim without even looked on the 49ers site.

Gotta be pretty damn close.