Faulk career receiving
6875yds, long 85, 36td, 9ypr

Craig career receiving
4911yds, long 73,17td, 8.7ypr

As you can see, no, i wasnt joking...

It's silly to say "it's not even close," when you consider the eras, the offenses they played in, as well as the talent around them. Faulk may be better, but my contention is with the not even close comment.

Its not like Craig played in a caveman offense that didnt like throwing to backs, i'd also dispute that he wasnt on extremely talented offensive teams.

Craig was a great pass catching back, his numbers prove that... but Martz was convinced that Faulk could've been an all-pro wide receiver, he was constantly split wide and ran wide receiver routes, not running back routes.

It'd be awesome to have him come to camp and work with these guys, it doesnt even matter that he was in a coryell system.

ps to buzz tinballs - i get the sneaky feeling you were trying to set me up with that "wco" line, i knew better :)...

Given the concepts I've seen from Andy, as well as personnel, there isn't a giant gap in philosophy. Andy's a pretty unique WCO guy. McCarthy/Payton as well.

Interesting, i didnt know they werent that far apart.

Unfortunately, i'm afraid Clark has paid for all of the coaching he's going to.

Well, you see a lot of 3/4vert concepts from Andy, which is the antithesis of WCO ideals (froma pure philo standpoint).


That's a staple of most Coryell systems and something you'll see regularly if you watch the cowboys, Saints, and Browns this year.

Ermahgerrhdd, who could have predicted this!!???


The Chiefs are using SS Eric Berry at strong safety in their base defense and linebacker in dime packages.
He's a blitzing safety or linebacker type in the nickel. The Kansas City Star suggests Berry could rank among the Chiefs' leaders in both tackles and sacks, which would be very nice for his IDP value. Further removed from his 2011 major knee injury, Berry is a breakout candidate under new coordinator Bob Sutton. Sutton has coached far less talented safeties to huge statistical years.

http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football/

But really, this isn't the worst thing in the world. I expected it and frankly, if I were in charge of this defense, I'd do very similar things. %s might be different on snaps but from a philo perspective, I understand why both Romeo and Sutton are using him ITB in sub alignments.

Romeo was stupid for it, and Sutton is too.

We will nevar let him play to his natural talent. It's one of the many great institutions we have incorporated at OAD.

It really depends on your personnel and your sub principles. Additionally, if you're a team that utilizes fz and combos, then this can be appealing as well.

Honestly, it isn't like these coaches have another choice. They don't have anyone else who can step in and cover at LB/S in that 2-3-6 variant not named Eric berry, despite his various levels of productivity there.


Whether that's a coaching or personnel staff issue, I have no idea. Personally, I'd rather have Kiko Alonso or Arthur Brown filling that spot with a multitude of things for Berry to do.

We will regret not taking Brown. Brown and/or Austin, since we had to be so normally and predictably pussy about the QB position, could have given this team IMMEDIATE juice in a couple of much-needed areas.

Desmond Bishop could have filled that role as well and yet, we failed to sign him.

Heh, this indicates to me that the Stevie Johnson block did change him as a player, and that KC doesn't truly trust his knee's health too.

He's been 100% for over a year.

Really?


It indicates to me the preference of using a 1LB, 3 safety personnel grouping (which plenty of team use) because of their ability to cover. (Slightly smaller than LBs, more fluid hips typically, etc).

To me, this has nothing to do with Eric's knee. Just my opinion though.

What the **** makes people think Berry is a better free safety than short safety?

Not really, he's been good ( pro bowl) but not **** yeah dominant like Ed Reed which his potential was before his injury. If he's better utilized as a FS then why haven't they **** punted injury prone Lewis? It's because of his goddamned injured knee.

You are a ****ing moron.

:hmmm:

Honestly? Come on, stop being a homer and look at it. He gained more weight last season, since he was playing in the "paint" his phrasing because of mobility issues in space.It ****in pisses me off that one play changed the trajecetery of his career.

How much do you know about football?

More than your basement dwelling ass.

Thanks for pointing out my typo

LMAO really? you think this is all just a big conspiracy theory? Dont be ****ing stupid, the reason berry has been playing there is because of his skill set and the fact we have anyone else to do it. We dont have the linebackers or safteys to take over that roll, so he does it.

So you were trying to type "strong" and typed "short?"

Hell of a typo there. LMAO

We should move Berry to far safety.

Exterior Paintbacker.

LMAO

****, even the Sweet Daddy Hate Haters gotta love this post.

He was a badass FS at Tennessee in the cover 2, his problem as a rookie was recognition issues with play design. He doesn't have the same explosion as he did. He'll rely more on instinct and his run support ability it seems. It sucks,but if he was truly was back %100 Lewis' injury prone ass would be gone and Berry would be in his place.

So who plays Berry's role in the sub?

LOL, that's the point of offseason FA and draft prep. I don't feel like going through the draft prospects in this draft class but it was a solid mother****er for the SS position.

The role Berry plays cant be played by your standard ss. He is unique because he can run and cover, as well as play in the box, hence why the coaches want him in that role. I don't for a second think that the only reason he is playing there is because his injury has eliminated his quickness.

Would i prefer him playing at the back end? Sure, but until we have another guy who an play his role, or a linebacker apart from dj who can cover, by all means play him there,

Since Berry was drafted, he's been playing that role. He's never been on the back end with the Chiefs.

I don't see the issue with Berry playing SS. It's more of a hybrid role anyway. He's not Kam Chancellor who strictly plays in the box. He covers, and I think in an aggressive scheme, he will shine.

The day I take a football take from Tribal Warfare seriously is the day I ask my 3 year old for investment advice.

Agree with this 100%.

Everyone ripped Romeo rightfully for boxing Berry last season, and now 8 months later it's cool.

Double standard much?

Different defense. Berry will attack in this scheme.

I don't hate Berry in the box. I hate the idea of him guarding elite tight ends one on one. That was an impossible task and naturally he didn't succeed at it too often

No, it's not a double standard. The read and react way that Romeo called this defense is what people had the most problems with. Berry though was never strictly an in the box safety last year though. You're carrying on like the Chiefs are using him as a linebacker.

People wanted more of an aggressive defense from Romeo. You'll get that now.

Berry will have his opportunities to make plays in the passing game.

I'll also wait until this regime plays actual games before I jump all over the way a player is used.

Whisperer is so full of fail

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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned yet but our CBs will now be playing matchups. Flowers and Sean Smith have been working both sides and Sean will obviously matchup with the bigger WR.

Lol just realized Devito will be the only starting Defensive player to not be black.

Okay, someone predict the match ups. I'm lazy.

1 Sun, Sep 8 @ Jacksonville
Smith:
Flowers:

2 Sun, Sep 15 vs Dallas
Smith:
Flowers:

3 Thu, Sep 19 @ Philadelphia
Smith:
Flowers:

4 Sun, Sep 29 vs New York
Smith:
Flowers:

5 Sun, Oct 6 @ Tennessee
Smith:
Flowers:

6 Sun, Oct 13 vs Oakland
Smith:
Flowers:

7 Sun, Oct 20 vs Houston
Smith:
Flowers:

8 Sun, Oct 27 vs Cleveland
Smith:
Flowers:

9 Sun, Nov 3 @ Buffalo
Smith:
Flowers:

10 BYE WEEK

11 Sun, Nov 17 @ Denver
Smith:
Flowers:

12 Sun, Nov 24 vs San Diego
Smith:
Flowers:

13 Sun, Dec 1 vs Denver
Smith:
Flowers:

14 Sun, Dec 8 @ Washington
Smith:
Flowers:

15 Sun, Dec 15 @Oakland
Smith:
Flowers:

16 Sun, Dec 22 vs Indianapolis
Smith:
Flowers:

17 Sun, Dec 29 @ San Diego
Smith:
Flowers:

*insert .gif of sorter pounding his table mayock style in frustration each round we passed on Rambo*


Yeah, I might be bitter about that for a while. Not that he'd play the same position as Berry or replace him, but damn. That would make our secondary look a lot nicer than having to rely on a converted corner in Sanders and Lewis.

While I haven't looked up the stats, it's a pretty common Saban/parcells/Belichick/Crennel philosophy to utilize dog(LB+Safety ITB) blitzes in that sub package.

The difference is going to be this year IMO, that you'll see that with combo man/FZ concepts, as well as different overload philos as well as a larger quantity of them. Speculation, as I haven't broken much down yet.


Wow, I'm really slacking on that Sutton's D thread, aren't I?

Didn't he get drafted in the 6th round? This place has a really weird obsession with 3rd day picks.

I wanted Rambo bad

He did.

He was also a fantastic FS prospect who was projected to go in the first 3 rounds.

best guess

I don't think Keenan Allen is starting by then sans injuries but most of the matchups make sense.

Brad McDougald.

That is all.

I did that all off memory lol. So I could of been wrong on a couple. Like for the life of me, I cant think who the second receiver is for the raider. I know the first one is denarius moore, but who the two is. No clue.

My choice was TJ McDonald and even though Kelce looks to be a good player, so does TJ and we have a need at safety while after signing Fasano, we didn't have a need at tight end.

He is gonna be a day one starter for the Rams and I think he is gonna be a difference maker.

I think they're still sorting it out over in Oakland but Danario Alexander has locked up the other receiving spot in SD.


Keenan is currently practicing with the 3rd team primarily, IIRC.

Yeah, that's right. Forgot him. thanks, its also Robert Woods for the Bills, not Robert lee hahaha.....

6th round..taking all snaps with first team for washington....right there with you

that's ****ed if they are playing matchups because Dunta Robinson is always going to have to cover someone WAYYYYY better than him.

Take the Broncos for example

Smith covers DT or Decker
Flowers covers Welker
That leaves Dunta having to cover DT or Decker or a TE

we are going to get destroyed

Jfc you are a drama queen

Man take a Valium. We only got best 17-9 in KC when we actually gave a **** about playing

I am so glad you aren't the DC

Arrowhead Pride‏@ArrowheadPride2m
Hmm. RT @Jason_Madson Tamba just walked off the field. Getting a ride up the hill.

FUUUUUUUUUUUU

At least he was walking.

Probably had to take a shit..

THE SKY IS FALLING!

LMAO Take a pill, Chicken Little.

Adam Teicher‏@adamteicher18s
Tamba is back to.practice. bathroom break, perhaps

:clap:

You live in the world of hyperbole.

6th day in a row of pads. Wasn't there something in the collective agreement about how many days you could be padded up at camp? If so, are we getting close to that limit?

Sounds like you were correct ROFL Hopefully it was a clean, smooth breaker

Snitches get stitches.

Bitch.

Did anyone realize our entire season just hung on a potty break?

The growler waits for no coach

Twidell said it was a hand injury.

I don't think in training camp there was much of a rule. What there is, is once like preseason starts, there is a limit. I cant remember the specifics, but its been known for quite a while that Andy likes his guys in pads.

Also, its not as much about the pads, as contact. I don't think they can take away a coaches right to make a player wear his pads

Maybe he will post on here, and we will know.

Didn't we practice a lot in shorts the last few years?

I see. And did you mean regular season instead of preseason?

Yes lol. Whoops. See where my mind is.

Nick Jacobs ‏@Jacobs71 35s
Daniel good job stepping up in the pocket finds Demetrius Harris for a quick gain. #Chiefs

Harris is running with the 2's

This team is loaded at TE

Nick Jacobs‏@Jacobs7143s
Tyler Bray with a risky throw. Threads the needle between two defenders. Behind Demetrius Harris. Drops the pass. #Chiefs

TOO RISKY!/Lil' Chiefy

Risky Throw = >20 Yards in KC.