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Hog's Gone Fishin 07-15-2018 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13629465)
Eight years to get a winning record? Nine to make the playoffs. Ten to win a championship. Two years of hovering around five hundred, and now a team that could be one of the worst ever. How long does he get to turn it back around? This is where KC decides if they're going to try to stay up on the level with the big boys, or not.

I know that they're not other teams that won't tolerate losing. They're not the Marlins either. Are they just going to be in the middle of that spectrum? Is it due to being in a small market? Is it Glass?

It looks to me like Moore got a big head and thought this is too easy and quit applying himself. It's common in management when things go your way to slack off. now here we are at epic suck level.

This place needs turned over at management level. Top to bottom.

Hog's Gone Fishin 07-15-2018 02:05 PM

BTW we're losing 10-0 to the only team that can match us in suck.

gblowfish 07-15-2018 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin (Post 13629507)
BTW we're losing 10-0 to the only team that can match us in suck.

NOBODY matches the 50th anniversary Royals in Suckage. I knew it was going to be a horrid year when the rolled Mike Sweeney out as a spokesman back in April. Snake bit for sure.

BigCatDaddy 07-15-2018 02:16 PM

Ehh trying to find silver lining here. Mondesi, Soler, and Boni looking like good young players to build around.

Al Bundy 07-15-2018 02:24 PM

Matias just hit a home run in the futures game...

siberian khatru 07-15-2018 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 13629526)
Matias just hit a home run in the futures game...

Off Justus Sheffield, a near-ready Yankees prospect

siberian khatru 07-15-2018 02:33 PM

https://twitter.com/mlbnetwork/statu...422747136?s=21

Mecca 07-15-2018 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13629517)
Ehh trying to find silver lining here. Mondesi, Soler, and Boni looking like good young players to build around.

I like to hope Mondesi can be a somebody as he shows flashes, however Soler and Bonifacio don't fit the profiles of what the Royals implied they cared about..unless you're keeping one for DH and showing the other for trade.

Just the idea of those 2 guys on the corners at the K for a contending team doesn't give me confidence in the defense.

siberian khatru 07-15-2018 02:35 PM

And Mondesi just homered for KC

Mecca 07-15-2018 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 13629540)

Wow that is some serious power in what doesn't look like a ton of effort, as he physically matures if his ability to judge the zone can just be ok that guy could be a MLB monster.

gblowfish 07-15-2018 02:40 PM

At least Mondesi broke the shutout. This game has been super hard to watch. I've got it on in the background while I do other things. Meesh my cat gave up on it in the sixth and went in to sleep on the sofa.

Chiefspants 07-15-2018 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13629444)
Oh what a travesty the Dayton Moore era of four straight seasons of competitive baseball, two pennants and one championship ring has brought Kansas City fans.

And our system isn’t comparable to 2006 - it’s much deeper, exciting, and if development goes well (with a little luck sprinkled in), we could be contending again in 2020-2021.

duncan_idaho 07-15-2018 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13629465)
Eight years to get a winning record? Nine to make the playoffs. Ten to win a championship. Two years of hovering around five hundred, and now a team that could be one of the worst ever. How long does he get to turn it back around? This is where KC decides if they're going to try to stay up on the level with the big boys, or not.



I know that they're not other teams that won't tolerate losing. They're not the Marlins either. Are they just going to be in the middle of that spectrum? Is it due to being in a small market? Is it Glass?


Your math is off. Moore became GM mid season 2006. 2007 was his first full year in control of the team.

He inherited the worst major league roster in baseball as well as the worst farm system - a two-prospect system. The only other young player of note was Zack Greinke, who had long since exhausted his prospect status and who almost quit Baseball to start a lawn mowing business within a month or two of Moore becoming the GM.

They built the system up with high school draft picks and international signings - thinks that take a long time to get to the majors.

They had an elite farm system by 2010 and the best farm system in baseball by 2”11 (four year). In that timespan, Moore’s team completely overhauled the Royals approach in Latin America and made thema player there again.

They had a winning team in 2013 (his seventh season at the helm), and won pennants and a World Series in in 8th and 9th seasons.

They’re not starting over at ground zero like in 2006. They’re 2-3 years ahead of that curve, easily.

Discuss Thrower 07-15-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13629568)

They’re not starting over at ground zero like in 2006. They’re 2-3 years ahead of that curve, easily.

Wouldn't ****ing think it based on the comments in this thread.

BigCatDaddy 07-15-2018 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13629543)
I like to hope Mondesi can be a somebody as he shows flashes, however Soler and Bonifacio don't fit the profiles of what the Royals implied they cared about..unless you're keeping one for DH and showing the other for trade.

Just the idea of those 2 guys on the corners at the K for a contending team doesn't give me confidence in the defense.

They can say what they want but Moose, Hos, and Gordon weren't drafted because of their defense.

Mecca 07-15-2018 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13629570)
Wouldn't ****ing think it based on the comments in this thread.

Well when this year started the royals were literally considered to have the worst farm system in the league.

Personally I'm disappointed because the Royals were never supposed to return this this level of shit. There was suppose to be a level of guys always on the come since the farm system got turned around. Down years were supposed to be years like say last year. We were never supposed to get back to a spot where they were a bottom feeder with years of minor league rebuilding needed.

I have a I'll believe it when I see it stance on any of the guys now since honestly Moore hasn't truly hit on a draft pick since Eric Hosmer and that is why they sit where they do today.

I just find it a bit pathetic that in the process of building a major league winner the farm system turned back into a pumpkin and we sit right back as one of the worst.

banecat 07-15-2018 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13629568)
Your math is off. Moore became GM mid season 2006. 2007 was his first full year in control of the team.

He inherited the worst major league roster in baseball as well as the worst farm system - a two-prospect system. The only other young player of note was Zack Greinke, who had long since exhausted his prospect status and who almost quit Baseball to start a lawn mowing business within a month or two of Moore becoming the GM.

They built the system up with high school draft picks and international signings - thinks that take a long time to get to the majors.

They had an elite farm system by 2010 and the best farm system in baseball by 2”11 (four year). In that timespan, Moore’s team completely overhauled the Royals approach in Latin America and made thema player there again.

They had a winning team in 2013 (his seventh season at the helm), and won pennants and a World Series in in 8th and 9th seasons.

They’re not starting over at ground zero like in 2006. They’re 2-3 years ahead of that curve, easily.

They're my second or third favorite team. I thought that he was hired early in 2006 before the season had started

Mecca 07-15-2018 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 13629571)
They can say what they want but Moose, Hos, and Gordon weren't drafted because of their defense.

No they weren't but lets also know that Moore didn't draft Gordon and the other 2 guys well any dipshit can play first and Moose...well he was a high school SS so he had to have some type of athletic talent.

duncan_idaho 07-15-2018 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13629574)
Well when this year started the royals were literally considered to have the worst farm system in the league.



Personally I'm disappointed because the Royals were never supposed to return this this level of shit. There was suppose to be a level of guys always on the come since the farm system got turned around. Down years were supposed to be years like say last year. We were never supposed to get back to a spot where they were a bottom feeder with years of minor league rebuilding needed.



I have a I'll believe it when I see it stance on any of the guys now since honestly Moore hasn't truly hit on a draft pick since Eric Hosmer and that is why they sit where they do today.



I just find it a bit pathetic that in the process of building a major league winner the farm system turned back into a pumpkin and we sit right back as one of the worst.


Considering the economic disparity of Baseball, is it fair to expect the second-smallest market to be consistently good year-in, year-out, at the major league level?

It isn’t, IMO.

They did a bad job adjusting to the new rules when the draft slots went into place and haven’t done as well in the draft as they need to in order to keep the pipeline turning over.

But they also have very clearly deviated from the approaches that did not work for them previously in the draft. We’ve got a three draft trend of moving away from highly projectable HS arms and taking more polished pitchers with upside and college hitters with higher floor and more developed hitting skills.

As for that farm system, it’s got a lot of helium right now and I’d expect to be ranked more in the middle of systems preseason 2019.

KChiefs1 07-15-2018 03:46 PM

This is a race that is going down to the last weekend.
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Valiant 07-15-2018 03:51 PM

I will say say I like the trend of college pitchers and how we got the Japanese kid.

Question, why didn't other teams fight the rule change on Latin players and overspending? It is bs there is no cap in baseball but they want to limit it elsewhere. To me that is just to hinder small market teams from getting to more players. It just happened to coincide with royals rise of small ball and defense. After result was stopping the signings by a limit and juicing the ball.

SAUTO 07-15-2018 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13629456)
Winning a world series should not be an excuse for having a crappy farm system or returning to bottom feeder status, it shouldn't be an excuse or a blanket answer that makes it ok. I don't see Houston being ranked last in prospects or saying they're going to suck now cause they won.
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How did those Mets pitchers turn out? Pretty sure we played the orioles in the playoffs a couple years ago, how are they doing these days? What about the offensive juggernaut blue Jays from the playoffs? Angels?

All teams that sacrificed players and the future to get a chance to win a world series.

Difference between then and us right now? We went to two and won one.

Shut the **** up please.

Valiant 07-15-2018 03:59 PM

I still would like a team to try this. Quality starting pitchers cost a fortune, if they flop it can sink a team.
Why not take the metrics further on 3rd time through the batting order.
Go 3 to 4 starting pitchers. Replace those starters with relief. After 4 or 5th inning plug in relief per matchup unless starter is cruising or huge lead. Rest of the guys go only one inning. Everyone pitches less per day, but more per week.
Most of the starters wouldn't have to worry about a quality start. Just throw your best pitches, then next man up.

I think it would allow some teams to compete with out the star talent.

TLO 07-15-2018 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13629637)
This is a race that is going down to the last weekend.
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Wow.. We really, REALLY suck.

(Breaking news)

OKchiefs 07-15-2018 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13629651)
How did those Mets pitchers turn out? Pretty sure we played the orioles in the playoffs a couple years ago, how are they doing these days? What about the offensive juggernaut blue Jays from the playoffs? Angels?

All teams that sacrificed players and the future to get a chance to win a world series.

Difference between then and us right now? We went to two and won one.

Shut the **** up please.

No need to be an ass.

Sure-Oz 07-15-2018 04:13 PM

@jcrasnick: The #RedSox and #Braves are both interested in Mike Moustakas as a trade deadline acquisition, sources say. The #Yankees have already been mentioned as a potential landing spot. There's enough of a market for Moose that it's more likely than not the Royals deal him this month.

@Feinsand: According to a source, the Royals are trying to find a match for a Mike Moustakas deal, but it appears KC will have to wait until Manny Machado gets dealt first. Manny could be the domino that starts a number of things in motion.

Mecca 07-15-2018 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13629651)
How did those Mets pitchers turn out? Pretty sure we played the orioles in the playoffs a couple years ago, how are they doing these days? What about the offensive juggernaut blue Jays from the playoffs? Angels?

All teams that sacrificed players and the future to get a chance to win a world series.

Difference between then and us right now? We went to two and won one.

Shut the **** up please.

Jacob DeGrom is having a Cy Young type of season and Syndergaard is still pretty awesome...Harvey went down the shitter but lets not act like they all suck.

Telling me teams like the Blue Jays that fired GMs or other teams that don't know what they are doing is a good example..isn't really helpful either.

SAUTO 07-15-2018 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13629711)
Jacob DeGrom is having a Cy Young type of season and Syndergaard is still pretty awesome...Harvey went down the shitter but lets not act like they all suck.

Telling me teams like the Blue Jays that fired GMs or other teams that don't know what they are doing is a good example..isn't really helpful either.

:rolleyes:

SAUTO 07-15-2018 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13629670)
No need to be an ass.

You can shut up too lol.

Mecca 07-15-2018 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SAUTO (Post 13629719)
:rolleyes:

Is what I said wrong? DeGrom is an ace level pitcher, does he suck?

SAUTO 07-15-2018 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13629726)
Is what I said wrong? DeGrom is an ace level pitcher, does he suck?

He is. So they really hit on one of 3at this point. How many world series did it win?

The gms that got fired were because they didn't win nor because they were going to be bad this year.

SAUTO 07-15-2018 04:45 PM

And Ventura definitely could have been an ace. But he ducking died dude.


Same old mecca. How many posts did you make on the royals before '14?

KChiefs1 07-15-2018 04:49 PM

*** Official 2018 Royals Repository ***
 
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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 13629667)
Wow.. We really, REALLY suck.



(Breaking news)



We are sucking historically bad but so is Baltimore. Typical Royals luck to have an epically bad team & have another team doing the same thing.

46-116 should always get you the first pick.

duncan_idaho 07-15-2018 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13629711)
Jacob DeGrom is having a Cy Young type of season and Syndergaard is still pretty awesome...Harvey went down the shitter but lets not act like they all suck.



Telling me teams like the Blue Jays that fired GMs or other teams that don't know what they are doing is a good example..isn't really helpful either.


But it does bring up a good point... look around MlB and tell me which GM who is shepherding a small market team you’d take over Dayton Moore.

Similar markets are:

Minnesota
Tampa
Milwaukee
Cincinnati
San Diego

KChiefs1 07-15-2018 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13629736)
But it does bring up a good point... look around MlB and tell me which GM who is shepherding a small market team you’d take over Dayton Moore.

Similar markets are:

Minnesota
Tampa
Milwaukee
Cincinnati
San Diego



Brewers are doing nicely.

Chiefspants 07-15-2018 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13629741)
Brewers are doing nicely.

They are - but they were abysmal during the Royals window of contention (after previously being contenders from 2009-2011). It’s funny, the Brewers GM has said on a few occasions he sees GMDM and the Royals as kindred spirits/franchises.

They are a much more realistic model for us to shoot for rather than a team like the Yankees.

banecat 07-15-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13629741)
Brewers are doing nicely.

Minnesota may not be such a bad gig. Cincy just needs some pitching to go with that batting lineup

duncan_idaho 07-15-2018 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13629741)
Brewers are doing nicely.


They are.

Last year was their 2013. This would be similar to their 2014.

Like the Royals, they cashed in some prospects to fill holes.

Like the Royals, they built their farm system up during a period of time where they weren’t very good at all.

And like the Royals, they’ll likely cycle back down and have to rebuild again (as they did following the 2012 season).

duncan_idaho 07-15-2018 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by banecat (Post 13629749)
Minnesota may not be such a bad gig. Cincy just needs some pitching to go with that batting lineup


The Twins also were terrible for most of the decade and went into a full tear down rebuild while doing it (after giving an albatross contract to their own homegrown star).

The Reds have been terrible since going into their rebuild phase (and haven’t done a tremendous job with the rebuild).

My point is that there is a cycle going on in all these places. Up. Then down. Then up again (if managed competently).

banecat 07-15-2018 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13629781)
The Twins also were terrible for most of the decade and went into a full tear down rebuild while doing it (after giving an albatross contract to their own homegrown star).

The Reds have been terrible since going into their rebuild phase (and haven’t done a tremendous job with the rebuild).

My point is that there is a cycle going on in all these places. Up. Then down. Then up again (if managed competently).

True. The Twins had looked like they'd turned it around. The Reds might be back next year. And the Brewers have been competitive most years for over a decade. Down years in the NLC have helped that. It goes more to what you're saying about cycles. They had luck for when the entire division wasn't very good

Prison Bitch 07-15-2018 06:21 PM

We cashed in when Bos and NYY were both down. What a time to be your best

KChiefs1 07-15-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13629839)
We cashed in when Bos and NYY were both down. What a time to be your best



Back-to-Back World Series is nothing to sneeze about.

ChiefsCountry 07-15-2018 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13629896)
Back-to-Back World Series is nothing to sneeze about.

It doesn't matter since Hosmer, Moose and Salvy didn't hit 60 homers, we didn't have 5 CY Young aces pitching and we didn't beat the Yankees and Red Sox.

tk13 07-15-2018 08:49 PM

If Mahomes wins a Super Bowl it's going to be "Chiefs got lucky because Brady retired and Luck was hurt."

It's funny because national writers went on and on about how great that Royals team was because it was so deep and the bullpen was so great. I really don't care, but that's the beauty of baseball. There's no formula like there is in the NFL and NBA.

Prison Bitch 07-15-2018 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13629957)
It doesn't matter since Hosmer, Moose and Salvy didn't hit 60 homers, we didn't have 5 CY Young aces pitching and we didn't beat the Yankees and Red Sox.

Dane said it doesn't matter since nobody cared we win it

tk13 07-15-2018 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13629568)
They’re not starting over at ground zero like in 2006. They’re 2-3 years ahead of that curve, easily.

The easiest example of this is on the team right now. Whit and Bonifacio. Those are the type of guys they never would have been able to develop when Moore took over. Who knows what those two guys will be in 3-4 years, but they're at least giving themselves a chance to hit on guys who aren't the 1st round, high impact guys.

KChiefs1 07-15-2018 09:20 PM

*** Official 2018 Royals Repository ***
 
https://youtu.be/NVs7KwR1rJs
https://youtu.be/GSAtGK3-fTQ





https://www.kansascity.com/sports/ml...214939005.html

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Royals prospect Seuly Matias displays power, electrifies World team in Futures game

By Maria Torres [email protected]
Washington, D.C.

World Team Seuly Matias, of the Kansas City Royals, touches the plate after hitting a home run against the U.S. Team in the second inning of the All-Star Futures game Sunday Nationals Park, in Washington.

Some 50 feet from where Royals prospect Seuly Matias made his temporary home in the visiting clubhouse at Nationals Park on Sunday sat former Expos and Angels slugger Vladimir Guerrero.

He entertained members of the media for more than 30 minutes on Sunday afternoon, hours before he and the World team lost to the United States 10-6 in the All-Star Futures game, and shared the same advice he gave the young batters invited to this showcase.

“Always keep your head up and do your job,” he said in Spanish. “Forget what people are saying. Do the job you have to do to get to the big leagues.”

Across the clubhouse, Matias sat preparing for his first Futures game appearance, in which he went 2 for 3 with a home run, and memorizing Guerrero’s words. He’d heard them at least three times during team meetings called by former Red Sox slugger and World manager David Ortiz.

Yet Matias hung on each syllable. Ortiz and Guerrero, natives of the Dominican Republic like Matias, hit a combined 990 home runs during their careers. They know what they’re talking about, he said. He aspires to be like them.

And on Sunday, with two of the biggest names in Dominican baseball looking on, Matias put his potential on display. He electrified the World dugout in the second inning, shooting a waist-high 94 mph fastball thrown by Yankees prospect Justus Sheffield an estimated 360 feet to right field for a leadoff homer.

Strictly by numbers, Matias had little chance. Sheffield is the Yankees’ second-ranked prospect and the fifth-ranked left-handed pitcher across all levels by MLB Pipeline. He’s only allowed a .193 batting average and three home runs across 85 innings at Class AA and Class AAA.

But Matias is unbridled power and boundless energy. He is a 19-year-old prospect who gallops around the bases and does a funky side-step when he rounds third base on a homer.

The display of raw strength had Ortiz comparing Matias to a young version of Sammy Sosa on the MLB Network broadcast. It had Matias’ World teammates Fernando Tatis Jr. of the Padres and Yusniel Diaz of the Dodgers standing at the dugout railing, hands raised in ecstasy.

When Matias finished his trot around the bases, he was met with high fives all the way down the steps into the third base dugout — first from Ortiz and eventually from hitting coach Guerrero, who will be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame at the end of the month.

“That was huge,” Matias said. “I saw (Ortiz’s) smile and when he put both his hands up, I felt so happy. It was a great experience.”

All winter, Matias longed to be here. He had watched Blue Jays prospect Vladimir Guerrero Jr., considered the top prospect in baseball by Baseball America and MLB Pipeline, go 2 for 4 in last summer’s All-Star Futures game and felt pride for his friend — and something akin to disappointment in himself.

“Vlad Jr., he came here last year and so did a few other of my friends,” said Matias, who signed with the Royals for $2.25 million during the 2015 international period. “I was like, ‘Wow, they signed in my same year and praise God they’re at the Futures game. But, God willing, next year, I’m gonna do my best and put in every effort to join them here and be part of the same thing.’”

Matias met his self-imposed challenge with relative ease. After smacking a minors-leading 17 homers in 150 at-bats over 41 games, he earned a spot at the South Atlantic League All-Star game alongside Legends teammates Nick Pratto, MJ Melendez and Sebastian Rivero. The Futures game nod came about a month after the first announcement, on the heels of a 4 for 41 skid in which Matias struck out 21 times and drew four walks from June 21 to July 4.

With 109 strikeouts in 268 at-bats this season, pitch selection is something Matias is trying to improve. That hole in his game was picked open by Reds pitcher Hunter Greene, the second overall pick of the 2017 draft. Greene struck out Matias on a high 100 mph fastball in his second at-bat Sunday.

Still, Matias found comfort in the at-bat. He worked a 2-2 count and laid off three breaking pitches, only one of which was a called strike.

As the United States improved to 13-7 all-time in the 20th installment of the Futures game, Matias drew further encouragement for a professional career that began just three summers ago.

“I think that when I go back (to the Legends), I will have my timing down,” Matias said. “I know I’ll get better. I know I can do it. I know that with God, I can do it. It’s just an adjustment.”
https://www.royalsreview.com/2018/7/...e-futures-game

ChiefsCountry 07-16-2018 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 13629970)
If Mahomes wins a Super Bowl it's going to be "Chiefs got lucky because Brady retired and Luck was hurt."

It's funny because national writers went on and on about how great that Royals team was because it was so deep and the bullpen was so great. I really don't care, but that's the beauty of baseball. There's no formula like there is in the NFL and NBA.

About every national tv broadcast game, they still bring up the Royals bullpen when it gets to late innings.

KChiefs1 07-16-2018 03:07 PM

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WASHINGTON D.C.—In a high-scoring game, hitters stood out more than the pitchers in the Futures Game, which had a bit of everything on display, from triple-digits velocity to a slew of home runs and advanced offensive approaches from young hitters.

Here were the best players and moments that stuck out the most at the 2018 Futures Game.



Best Player: Fernando Tatis Jr., SS, Padres

Three years out, the 2015 international signing class is shaping up to be an incredible group. Juan Soto is a 19-year-old star in the big leagues. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is the best prospect in baseball, with the makings of a future MVP candidate. Outfielder Leody Taveras (Rangers) and shortstop Andres Gimenez (Mets) are the best prospects in their organizations. Cubs catcher Miguel Amaya, Royals outfielder Seuly Matias, Rays shortstop Lucius Fox, Twins shortstop Wander Javier, Braves outfielder Cristian Pache and Cubs shortstop Aramis Ademan were all ranked among the Top 30 international prospects in the 2015 class and are all now top 10 prospects in their organizations.

Fernando Tatis Jr. was also in the 2015 class. The White Sox signed him for $700,000 out of the Dominican Republic, but several other clubs didn’t consider Tatis a top-tier prospect in his year, with questions on both his pure hitting ability and where he would play in the field. Today, Tatis is a favorite among scouts, and at the Futures Game he displayed why he is the No. 2 prospect behind only Vladdy Jr. on the Baseball America Top 100.

In batting practice Tatis showed plus raw power. In the game he went 2-for-4, with his Padres teammate Buddy Reed stealing a third hit away from him with a nice running catch on a hard-hit ball to center field. Tatis picked up his first hit against Reds righthander Hunter Greene, pulling a 102 mph fastball on the inside corner for a single to left field, an impressive turnaround for a hitter with Tatis’ length. In the fifth inning he used the opposite field, smoking a 95 mph fastball on the outer third for a line-drive single to right. When Tatis played shortstop, he showed good range to his left, then when he moved over to third base, he unleashed a plus arm.

Even in a one-game look, Tatis managed to show off all of his tools. Just 19 in Double-A San Antonio, Tatis is hitting .289/.359/.509 with 15 home runs and 15 stolen bases in 19 attempts. His 28 percent strikeout rate is high, but given that he’s a 19-year-old in Double-A with a swing that should work and baseball acumen well beyond his years, there’s reason to believe he will be able to trim that in time.

There may have been skepticism when Tatis signed three years ago. Today, he looks like a potential cornerstone shortstop who could soon be hitting in the middle of San Diego’s lineup.




Best Hitter: Taylor Trammell, OF, Reds

Twins outfielder Alex Kirilloff has shot up BA's Top 100 Prospects list in his return to the field this season. He showed advanced hitting ability from the left side in the Futures Game, lining a 93 mph fastball from fellow lefty Jesus Luzardo for a single to center field, then working a 3-1 count before driving a 92 mph fastball the opposite way for a single to left.

Like Kirilloff, Taylor Trammell has quickly climbed up BA's Top 100 Prospects list this year, with Trammell among the game’s elite prospects. Trammell stood out in batting practice with a sweet lefty swing and above-average raw power, getting to the second deck in right field. When he entered the game, he got a 96 mph fastball down in the strike zone and lifted out for a home run to his pull side. In his second and final at-bat, Trammell worked the count into his favor at 2-0, then drilled a 92 mph fastball for a triple off the center field wall. As a 20-year-old in the high Class A Florida State League, Trammell is hitting .295/.394/.421 with six home runs, 42 walks and 66 strikeouts in 78 games. Based on the raw power Trammell has shown this year, those home run totals should jump once he escapes the pitcher-friendly FSL, with a chance to be a plus hitter with above-average power and the strike-zone discipline to drew plenty of walks and post high OBPs.





Best Oppo Power: Seuly Matias, OF, Royals

Jo Adell, Peter Alonso, Nate Lowe and Tatis flashed big raw power in batting practice. Then the ball started flying in the game, with home runs from Alonso (more on him below), Danny Jansen, Ke’Bryan Hayes and Taylor Trammell, with two homers from Dodgers outfielder Yusniel Diaz.

Royals outfielder Seuly Matias brought it in BP and in the game. He’s 6-foot-3, 200 pounds and looks even bigger, using an excellent combination of strength and bat speed to produce 70 raw power on the 20-80 scouting scale. Matias, 19, launched deep blasts to his pull side in BP, making it easy to see why he has 26 home runs in 74 games with low Class A Lexington and a .335 ISO.

Then in his first plate appearance, Matias got a 94 mph fastball on the outside corner from Yankees lefthander Justus Sheffield that he drove over the right-field fence, an impressive display of hitting by going with where the ball was pitched (and doing it against a Triple-A pitcher), as well as an incredible demonstration of strength to go deep the opposite way. Matias has a fairly simple, efficient swing, but it’s his pitch recognition and strike-zone discipline that get him into trouble, with a .213/.293/.549 slash line this season. There’s still a lot of risk in his skill set, but if everything clicks, the power potential is frightening.





Best Pull Power: Peter Alonso, 1B, Mets

Peter Alonso’s plus-plus raw power has long been his carrying tool. That was quickly apparent, with Alonso showing some of the best power of anyone at the Futures Game during BP. Then Alonso gave everyone watching a taste of that power in the seventh inning, working a full count, fouling off three straight pitches, then smashing a long home run to his pull side off a 95 mph fastball left over the middle of the plate.





Best Pitcher: Jesus Luzardo, LHP, Athletics

In a 10-6 game, there were a lot of talented pitchers who were not able to escape unscathed. Jesus Luzardo started for the World team and did give up a run and three hits in his two innings, but of all the pitchers at the Futures Game, he stuck out for the most impressive combination of stuff across the board and control.

Luzardo’s fastball sat at 93-96 mph, touching 97 once. He flashed a plus changeup, throwing one to Rockies shortstop Brendan Rodgers in a 2-0 count for a called strike, then going back to the pitch in a 3-1 count for a swinging strike. And while Rays first baseman Nate Lowe took advantage of a slider Luzardo left out over the plate to drive in a run, Luzardo flashed an above-average slider too, using as a putaway pitch to strike out Brewers second baseman Keston Hiura swinging. Scouts have been coming back all season with ecstatic reports on the 20-year-old Luzardo, who since reaching Double-A this season has a 2.54 ERA with a 74-15 K-BB mark in 63.2 innings. Luzardo had Tommy John surgery during his draft year in 2016, so his 78.1 innings this season are a career high. Luzardo still has to prove his durability, but if he can do that, he has the makings of a frontline starter.





Best Velocity: Hunter Greene, RHP, Reds

I probably could have written up this one before I even flew out to Washington D.C. Hunter Greene, 18, has freakish arm speed and an 80 fastball, which he holds as a starter and was able to let loose even more than usual in a short stint. Greene threw 19 fastballs, topped out at 103 mph with all of them cracking 100 mph or better. He got four swinging strikes on his fastball, trailing only Rockies righthander Jesus Tinoco (five swinging strikes on his fastball) in that category.




Biggest Wow Moment: Luis Basabe, OF, White Sox

Hunter Greene threw Luis Basabe four straight fastballs: 101, 102, 102 and 102 mph again. The last pitch, in a 2-1 count, went down in the zone to the lefthanded-hitting Basabe, who pulled it for a home run to right field with a quick, efficient and easy swing, making 102 mph look like 92 mph.





Most Intriguing, U.S. Team: Ke’Bryan Hayes, 3B, Pirates

Ke’Bryan Hayes has an unusual skill set for a third baseman, with his strengths based more around his contact skills and defense rather than raw power and arm strength. He showed good strike-zone discipline in the Futures Game, getting behind Red Sox righthander Bryan Mata 0-2 before working a 10-pitch walk in his first plate appearance. In his last at-bat, he showed a mature ability to take a 96 mph fastball on the outer third and drill it the opposite way, only for the line drive to go straight at the right fielder. Hayes also took a 90 mph fastball up in the zone out to left center-field for a home run, a nice surprise from a player who has hit just four home runs in 74 games this year with Double-A Altoona. If that power shows up more in games—and it’s reasonable to that that it could, given his age (21) and contact frequency—Hayes would become a much more dangerous offensive threat.





Most Intriguing, World Team: Yusniel Diaz, OF, Dodgers

While Hayes is outside the BA's Top 100 Prospects list, Diaz is already a Top 100 Prospect, with the arrows pointing in the right direction. Ever since I started watching Yusniel Diaz play when he was a teenager in Cuba, he’s always been a good athlete with strong hand-eye coordination to make contact. He’s made plenty of contact this year with Double-A, even drawing more walks (41) than strikeouts (39) while hitting .314/.428/.477 in 59 games. He has hit just six home runs, but in the Futures Game Diaz launched a pair of homers, one on a laser to center field off a 96 mph fastball up in the zone, the other on a 95 mph fastball that was also up in the zone and kept carrying on a line out over the wall in center. Given Diaz’s knack for barreling baseballs, perhaps the power he showed at the Futures Game is a sign of what’s to come once he gets to play all of his games with the MLB baseballs.






Most Underrated (For Now): Luis Garcia, SS, Nationals

Garcia was a favorite among international scouts when he signed out of the Dominican Republic, ranking as the No. 3 international prospect in the 2016 class. He ranked as the No. 4 prospect last year in the Rookie-level Gulf Coast League, but he has yet to make an appearance on BA's Top 100 Prospects list. That’s going to change very soon in our next update.

Garcia is just 18, but the Nationals have already promoted him to the high Class A Carolina League. Playing in his possible future home ballpark, Garcia had just one plate appearance but didn’t look like an overmatched 18-year-old. The lefthanded-hitting Garcia look comfortable against Rangers lefty C.D. Pelham pumping upper-90s fastballs, swinging through the first pitch he saw before working his way back to a six-pitch walk. Then he showed baserunning savvy going first to third on a groundball to right field where a lot of players would have finished the play standing on second base. Garcia’s .302/.336/.397 is good for an 18-year-old even if it might not jump off the page, but he’s absolutely a prospect on the rise.

ROYC75 07-16-2018 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13629839)
We cashed in when Bos and NYY were both down. What a time to be your best

Maybe they were lucky not having to see us when we were up,keeping them from the humiliation. We got hot in 2014 at the right time, 2015 was determination!

Yep, so Boston kicked our ass in 2014, 1-6 then in 2015 we go 3-4.

NY in 2014 we go 4-3 and in 2015 we go 3-4.

Your theory doesn't hold,we weren't Killers of either of them.

TLO 07-16-2018 04:52 PM

Is Bubba Starling still alive?

duncan_idaho 07-16-2018 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 13631296)
Is Bubba Starling still alive?


Literally? Or as a legit prospect.

Yes. And hell no.

SuperBowl4 07-16-2018 05:06 PM

No way the ROYALS lose today

Bowser 07-16-2018 05:25 PM

So we could have had Francisco Lindor OR George Springer instead of Starling? Haha, wow.

Al Bundy 07-16-2018 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13631305)
Literally? Or as a legit prospect.

Yes. And hell no.

Do you think we see Starling this year?

Prison Bitch 07-16-2018 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 13631374)
So we could have had Francisco Lindor OR George Springer instead of Starling? Haha, wow.

I used to say that about Hoch. We could've had Kershaw (7), Lincecum (10), or Sherzer (11).


Then he dominated the 2015 playoffs, won the deciding Game 5 in NY, and I forgot it all.

Chiefspants 07-16-2018 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13631396)
I used to say that about Hoch. We could've had Kershaw (7), Lincecum (10), or Sherzer (11).


Then he dominated the 2015 playoffs, won the deciding Game 5 in NY, and I forgot it all.

It's funny, because many of the major writers were saying the main choice was between Hochevar and Andrew Miller.

Both were considered massive busts in their career as starting pitchers.

Both reinvented themselves and dominated the bullpen.

duncan_idaho 07-16-2018 06:58 PM

After doing a little more reading and getting through the excellent big board on Fangraphs https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/earl...s/#more-288781

I’m not sure Witt will hold up as a consensus top pick. Some questions about his hit tool and he’s old for his class.

The Catcher from Oregon State, Ruschmamnn, May end up being the top guy if he repeats his strong sophomore campaign with the bat.

Jerok 07-16-2018 07:49 PM

Hoskins vs Schwarber was pretty great, Hoskins hit 20 in the second round, and no one else had hit 20 yet, so I thought Schwarber was done. Schwarber had a slow start but then got hot and cranked out the 21st to win in his bonus 30 seconds.

Now it's Muncy (Dodgers) vs Bryce Harper. Let's see if the home town favorite can beat the dark horse of the competition.

KChiefs1 07-16-2018 08:14 PM

Harper will take this.

tk13 07-16-2018 08:32 PM

That was pretty entertaining.

Canofbier 07-16-2018 08:35 PM

Harper and his dad cheated big time when it came to pitch timing; such a shame when it honestly seems like he could have won without it.

Dartgod 07-16-2018 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 13631743)
Harper and his dad cheated big time when it came to pitch timing; such a shame when it honestly seems like he could have won without it.

I didn't watch it. How did they cheat?

jd1020 07-16-2018 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 13631743)
Harper and his dad cheated big time when it came to pitch timing; such a shame when it honestly seems like he could have won without it.

Ya when he got on that 2nd run they were rapid fire pitching when the other ball wasn't even at its peak yet, let alone down.

I still think its stupid how the HRs reset for the finals.

tk13 07-16-2018 08:59 PM

Yeah Twitter is pretty mad about that. Maybe it's because people don't like Harper.

jd1020 07-16-2018 09:10 PM

He probably still wins, but he probably should have gone into the extra time needing 3 maybe 4 HRs instead of just 1.

He still ended up with 8 less HRs overall than Schwarber.

Canofbier 07-16-2018 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 13631747)
I didn't watch it. How did they cheat?

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13631748)
Ya when he got on that 2nd run they were rapid fire pitching when the other ball wasn't even at its peak yet, let alone down.

I still think its stupid how the HRs reset for the finals.

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 13631782)
He probably still wins, but he probably should have gone into the extra time needing 3 maybe 4 HRs instead of just 1.

He still ended up with 8 less HRs overall than Schwarber.

jd described it here - clear violations of the rules around when pitching is allowed. Harper's pitcher (his father) was throwing pitches well before the previous hits had landed. He'd have probably won regardless, but it cheapens the whole thing when it's SO clear that nobody bothers to enforce the rules.

BWillie 07-16-2018 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 13631793)
jd described it here - clear violations of the rules around when pitching is allowed. Harper's pitcher (his father) was throwing pitches well before the previous hits had landed. He'd have probably won regardless, but it cheapens the whole thing when it's SO clear that nobody bothers to enforce the rules.

Its the HR Derby. Who gives a shit

SAUTO 07-16-2018 09:19 PM

It was awesome. And looked like they were waiting for someone to tell them when they could pitch

jd1020 07-16-2018 09:27 PM

They should probably just get rid of that rule of the ball having to land, but I'm assuming they have it to protect the kids out on the field trying to catch the balls.

Al Bundy 07-16-2018 09:52 PM

BTW Kyle Isbel is having a night in Idaho Falls...

Canofbier 07-17-2018 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13631798)
Its the HR Derby. Who gives a shit

Go bankrupt yourself in online poker. Again.

WhawhaWhat 07-17-2018 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canofbier (Post 13631793)
jd described it here - clear violations of the rules around when pitching is allowed. Harper's pitcher (his father) was throwing pitches well before the previous hits had landed. He'd have probably won regardless, but it cheapens the whole thing when it's SO clear that nobody bothers to enforce the rules.

Freddie Freeman was doing it in the first round too. It wasn't just one person.

Al Bundy 07-17-2018 07:19 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to our sources, Kyle Isbel has been promoted to Lexington. The 2018 third rounder hit .381/.454/.610 in 25 games with Idaho Falls. Was slashing .439/.511/.683 over his past 10 games.</p>&mdash; Royals Farm Report (@RoyalsFarm) <a href="https://twitter.com/RoyalsFarm/status/1019126837744717825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Mecca 07-17-2018 07:24 AM

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to our sources, Kyle Isbel has been promoted to Lexington. The 2018 third rounder hit .381/.454/.610 in 25 games with Idaho Falls. Was slashing .439/.511/.683 over his past 10 games.</p>&mdash; Royals Farm Report (@RoyalsFarm) <a href="https://twitter.com/RoyalsFarm/status/1019126837744717825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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You have to wonder where they view his long term position since if it is in the OF they are already getting somewhat crowded there.

OmahaChief 07-17-2018 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13631582)
After doing a little more reading and getting through the excellent big board on Fangraphs https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/earl...s/#more-288781

I’m not sure Witt will hold up as a consensus top pick. Some questions about his hit tool and he’s old for his class.

The Catcher from Oregon State, Ruschmamnn, May end up being the top guy if he repeats his strong sophomore campaign with the bat.

Can't find the stats now but there was some site that had some really interesting things about the "old for his class" deal. Higher chance at busting seemed to be the thought. If I remember right that was one knocks on Starling.

I saw Adley Rutschman play in Omaha this CWS and that guy can rake. He didn't wow me behind the plate but looks like a good prospect overall.

Sure-Oz 07-17-2018 08:31 AM

@JonHeyman: Breaking; The Dodgers appear to be the leading contender for superstar Manny Machado as talks head toward the finish line. The situation is fluid and brewers and phillies may still have an outside chance. Barring turnabout, deal should be done this week. Story comin on @Fancred

Gotta think moose gets traded shortly after this.

KChiefs1 07-17-2018 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 13632078)
I saw Adley Rutschman play in Omaha this CWS and that guy can rake. He didn't wow me behind the plate but looks like a good prospect overall.


JJ Cooper of Baseball America likes him over Bobby Witt Jr.

DJ's left nut 07-17-2018 08:39 AM

In an article about the Royals 2015 international signing class (where they got Matias) there was this little gem...

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The Royals were hours away from a deal for Soto but could not secure the funds before he agreed to terms with Washington.
Yeah, that would be Juan Soto. Evidently they were also in the running on Vlad Jr. but were unwilling to match the $3.5 million he eventually signed for.

The Vlad thing happens but man - what does 'unable to secure the funds' even mean? The billionaire owner of a major league team need to call the bank and get his credit line extended or something? That's just odd...

Mecca 07-17-2018 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 13632116)
In an article about the Royals 2015 international signing class (where they got Matias) there was this little gem...



Yeah, that would be Juan Soto. Evidently they were also in the running on Vlad Jr. but were unwilling to match the $3.5 million he eventually signed for.

The Vlad thing happens but man - what does 'unable to secure the funds' even mean? The billionaire owner of a major league team need to call the bank and get his credit line extended or something? That's just odd...

Soto and Vlad JR were literally 1 and 2 on the prospects list until Soto went up...that's crazy.


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