Dude, Andy will scheme up awesomeness, and Mahomes will work his magic. If the OL is playing like we hope they will, it won’t be that big of an issue.

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I agree with most of that, but that doesn’t change the fact our weakest link is probably WR and that if we don’t have Tyreek for a stretch, that magnifies that issue.

It’s definitely the weak part of our armor.

Well then lucky for you he's likely ALREADY an 800+ yard receiver.

I also think we should take a knee in the end zone on every kickoff return possible.

But, I wouldn’t risk a roughing the kicker trying to block punts very often.

When your offense is as good as ours special teams when receiving the ball should be focused on not generating a penalty and securing the ball. The returns really shouldn’t be a part of the concern.

Excellent rebuttal.

I'm just funnin' ya......I actually agree with you

LMAO I remember the days when optimism in the team was ripped apart and shouted down on CP. Now it's the opposite for the most part.

He's making the 53 man roster.

See, we can change.

Slick 20 yards there. :thumb:

No we can’t, *insert insult*

Well the Chiefs were bad and doomed then, now they're good and blessed. I think CP has been shouting down stupidity consistently

Yeah I’m not super worried about #2 WR, sure, we’ve had Watkins. But how much have we really had him? Veach is high on Pringle, Hardman seems to be developing, Mahomes is high on the rook(also on the rookie TE), and Robinson it’s great, but he seems to be there when plays are broken.

Not worried but we need one of them to step up and be a threat. Kelce and Hill will get more doubles on 3rd down. Need another that a team must account for.

Meh. Outside of arguably DL, WR is the position we need the most work at long term.

You can fix that position in one trade, signing, or draft pick.

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Not if Trey Smith has anything to say about it.

Bet he calls it quits. Doctor with a bum hand is no good.

Yep, Trey is not losing his spot, especially to soft ass LDT.

He has several million reasons not to..

Lolololololol

Only a injury will allow that now. That spots been taken.

I’d argue safety. Matthieu and Sorensen are free agents, Thornhill can’t break into the starting lineup in year 3.

Clyde's Legs: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...38/614/336.jpg

I’m not sure why this is suddenly a big concern. Our WRs were considered really solid with Watkins on the roster, and he was out more often than not. We’re in basically the same situation but with Powell added to the mix (and potentially Callaway), plus likely an improved Hardman.

Overall, we have more receiving weapons than before, since it appears that Gray is going to add another option.

I wouldn’t have been opposed to adding another proven WR, but I don’t see it as a need. I think the staff talked to Hardman and made it clear that he needs to take it to the next level, and it seems like he is.

Maybe, but that’s the case for many teams in the league in regards to their #1 WR. Not to pick on birds specifically but go look at the WR depth charts of the Eagles, Falcons and Cardinals (just to name a few). Take away their number 1’s and see what your left with. Obviously it’s not a position of super deep strength like it is for say the Cowboys or the Buccaneers but as long as we have #15, we’re gonna be fine.

We played the 9ers a few pre seasons ago and I remember their D line kicking our ass. They've always been pretty deep at that position since Lynch took over. Not sure if thats the case or not this year but I fully expect our reserves to get handled and if going by the boards reactions regarding camp reports and individual drill videos I expect people to freak out.

In reality it means absolutely nothing and the game means next to nothing. Will be nice to see if some of the backups can perform and give us confidence about the depth. That's really all there is to take away from these pre season games.

Cards:
Hopkins
Fitzgerald
Green

:rolleyes:

I think that's it, but the Bucs is the one I look at enviously. Would rather our starters but their depth is nuts with Durden also now looking good. Could imagine there's v little drop off if someone goes down there. If Hill were out I agree scheming, the running game with the new O-line, and the possible emergence of Gray could mean we're less affected than others, but it's a big drop-off.

Think WR is the weakest area, followed by CB and DE - both could be very good if people step up, but on CB in particular we really don't know what we're getting with Hughes, Baker etc. Think next draft we need to swing much earlier on a WR and CB.

That's a team built around a 43 year old QB. This is a team with a 26 year old QB. To keep our window open, we have to continually develop young, inexpensive talent. The only way to do that is play them. We'll be fine.

Really wouldn't be shocked to see Veach go ultra aggressive and try for Michael Thomas.

He had several reasons not to walk away from this team last year as well. We all know how that turned out.

Get real. No chance in hell.

I would be. It would be a waste of money in 2021. He wouldn't even grasp the offense for the most of the season.
We really NEED to stand pat and develop young talent.

You have to trust your front office to draft good talent. Do you have to trust your coaching staff to develop that Talent. And you have to trust your process to keep your Championship window open. For what it's worth, barring injury, I think Clyde edwards-helaire will have about 20 touchdowns. This offense will be fine.

$1 million cap hit for any team that acquires him via trade in 2021. Not exactly breaking the bank.

Yep, agree, but as you say you need to draft that talent as well. I very much doubt if we pick up a WR or CB next draft it's in the later rounds. I'd hope not.

We dont need a new WR2 guys, Steve Breastons going to go off!

Why would you think that? Does Veach's history tell you he ignores weaknesses? Are you sure Hughes and Baker can't play? Powell?

Don't you think with OL apparently solidified that other positions would move up the priority list next year?

DBs can only cover a receiver for so long. The best way to attack us or any QB is to get to them before they have time to get open. We have an improved OLine plus a QB who has made a living out of avoiding pressure. We will have more open receivers than people think. While WR is not a true strength of this team, it won't be as much of a glaring weakness either once Mahomes has more than 2 seconds to throw.

Kelce and Hill are 2 elite receiving options.

Few teams have 2.

We are fine because 2 elite plus any jag is fine.

Hardman is atleast a solid WR2

No practice today.

Frank is stuffing his face.

Just means I will get work done today and not here reading update's

:LOL:

Read a little thing about Brown from Joe Thomas and his rankings of tackles. Joe has him as the #7 overall tackle in the league.

But he brought up just his massive size and how basically the way to beat him is just outrun him around the outside. Which makes me think of all those 1 on 1s in camp where everyone was up in arms about. He likely ran the guy out the back of the pocket. So if Mahomes doesn't do that "I'm getting killed up the middle so I'm gonna drift out the back of the pocket" thing, it shouldn't matter.

Imagine the Vermeil era offensive line, with Priest Holmes, Tony Gonzalez, and now add Mahomes and Tyreek Hill. That's essentially what we're looking at the next couple of years.

along with an at WORST middle of the pack defense.

I really don't see why people are concerned.

People are just yearning for an unstoppable offense, like 2018 or better. Which is fine, but acting like there's a problem that has to be addressed is silliness.

This is wildly optimistic

Reid is going to scheme up some brilliant screens and draws to that side, with guys running upfield trying to get a rush.

That's what I'm saying. Veach addressed the OL, now I'd expect him to tackle WR and CB. I'd be surprised if he didn't.

While I agree with all this I remain highly skeptical of Hardman. I need to see it in games not half speed shorts and shells. I really hope its true but Sho Me.

Really?

Pro bowl quality LT, 2nd team all-pro LG, high round pick OC, RG appears to be a mauler and RT was a first round pick quality that fell to the 3rd due to injury. Prior to that there was talk of him being the top OL in that draft. There's legit starting quality talent behind at the youngsters' positions there; if those young'uns couldn't hack it, they wouldn't be running with the ones.

CEH was drafted to be the all-purpose back and covid offseason limited his usage last year.

Kelce=Gonzalez.

Mahomes is an entirely different animal than Trent Green.

That team had no WR anywhere close to Hill.

and we still have Hardman and his 4.3 speed, and some dependable if not spectacular role players, and some rookie potential from guys like Noah Gray.

AND this is a much better defense than those teams ever dreamed of.

The only thing that derails this team is a rash of injuries. Same story as last year, really. A healthy Chiefs team would've crushed Tampa Bay.

Why is that?

Comparing an offensive line that has never played a game together before and has 3 rookies to the greatest line ever constructed is wildly optimistic. It's like the people calling Trey Lance "Patrick Mahomes 2.0".

I think in time they'll be really good to great but comparing them to that line is too much.

The only part that was optimistic was the OL comparison.

I think this OL will be great if not elite, but that 2003-ish OL had 2 HOFers and Brian Waters who is 26th on Pro Football Reference’s HOF Monitor (so we had 2 top 30 All Time Guards). Roaf is also listed as the 4th tackle on the list.

This OL can absolutely be better at C and RT than those teams. Thuney could be in the Waters-Shields conversation someday.

Way too early to mention Brown with Roaf. Maybe someday, but not yet.

I love what we’ve seen from Smith but let’s see it on Gameday too before we get too excited.

The rest of the comparison was correct if not even a little modest.

My my Gear came today. 2 Jerseys Red #15 then Whit #15. Chiefs arrowhead with KC charms, 2 hats, 2 shirts. sooooooooooooooo Happy.

I'm talking about this specifically:

Those Chiefs OLs from 2002-2005 were possibly the best of all-time. Even if every guy on this new line played up to his full potential and they worked together like a cohesive unit (which isn't guaranteed), they still probably wouldn't be a match for those offensive lines. We had two HoFs on the same unit.

Also a little bit this:

I'd agree that we'll likely be middle of the pack, but I could see scenarios in which our defense is more in the 20-23 range.

Ah Ok. Yea maybe, they have the potential to be close. I think that OL had 2 HOF players so yea.

20-23 range? LMAO

This defense was 11th last year and they finally have speed and athleticism at LB. Not to mention the addition of Jarran Reed, and Chris Jones looking like a DPOY candidate.

WTF is happening with Gay? Haven’t heard a peep. Hasnt it been 10 days?

No way it’s already been 10 days, but he was back on the field yesterday although I don’t think he was practicing.

Depends on what metric you’re looking at.

We’ll be a top 10 scoring defense. Likely top 10-12 in passing yards. Run defense will be worse than pass defense most likely.

Wouldn’t shock me if our total yards allowed was misleading due to giving up a bunch of garbage yards.

Sure. I'd also say that that line HAD to be that good individually, because all of the skill position talent was pedestrian, Holmes included. Just look at what his previous stats were before playing behind Roaf, Waters, Shields, and Wiegmann. Holmes was not fast, nor powerful, nor particularly elusive. He just got to run behind Roaf and company.

And I think Roaf is the best OT I ever saw, hands down. Shields might well be the best OG I ever saw too.

Situationally speaking, I think it's optimistic to think that this line may well play as equal to that one. But not wildly so. The skill position talent is so different that we'll never really be able to compare it. Mahomes may well make Brown, Thuney, and company look the equals of Roaf and Shields whether they're that good or not.

as for the defense, the only way that defense is 20-23 range is a ton of injuries to key players. If they remain relatively healthy, it's a borderline top ten unit, in my opinion. And that's assuming that the increase in LB talent is offset by inexperience.

And assuming that Veach hits on 50% of his first round CB reclamation projects. I don't think that's wildly optimistic, I think that's a reasonable expectation.

Stop it.

Those past OLs were top 5 units all-time. We would be ecstatic if this new collection ended up being top 5 this season.

Barring injury I'd say the biggest impact we're likely to see is at CB. Losing Breeland could hurt. We've got tons of potential there now, but it's a bit worrisome when Charvarious Ward and Rashad Fenton are the most senior members in the group.

Thornhill still isn't ready, which means Sorenson and possibly an UDFA in Keys will see significant playing time.

We've got more depth and talent at LB but neither Gay nor Bolton are proven.

Frank Clark and the depth at DE2 are question marks.

But, yeah, injury would be the biggest issue. If either Chris Jones or Mathieu go down for any extended period, our defense could take a noticeable dip.

Concussion protocol.

There's a lot of "what ifs" on defense.

I think CB play is gonna be ass. Sneed looked good when he played but has a small sample size due to injury.

I think this team was dumb for not resigning Breeland $4M is cheap for a starting CB.

I think Ward (at best) is an avg CB but a good half of the time plays like ass. Teams are just gonna pick on him all season.

I think the Chiefs are banking on Baker and Hughes play up to their draft selections. I don't think that will happen.

Fenton and others are JAG.

And the pass rush will be very avg. Don't expect much out of Clark, and unless Taco or Danna or perhaps Okafor (if he can stay healthy) surprise some people, this is a very sub avg to avg DE group, even with Jones/Reed in the middle.

LB has gotten a little better if everyone can stay healthy. This team will still trot out Neimann onto the field....****in morons.

Concussion protocol. He has to pass his baseline to be allowed on the field again.

Shit take from one of CP’s dumbest.

While I dont' share his takes, it does have some realistic possibilities. If Clark isn't good, the pass rush will be iffy.

And the CB is banking on youth, which, I'm good with. But there's some risk there.

Youre wearing some homer glasses if you don't think CB is gonna be a problem this yr. :rolleyes:

Not as worried about pass rush as I am with CB due to Jones and Reed being in the middle.

But CB is gonna be a problem...and will be a serious problem if Sneed gets inj again. Theres 0 quality depth at this position.

If there’s one thing that I’ve learned to trust Spags with, it’s the defensive backs.

You idiots have been saying the same shit for 3 years now.

The CB’s will continue to exceed expectations.

No, the chiefs are banking on Hughes and Baker playing up to Breeland or better. Breelands losing speed and burst and had a lot of penalties last year.If they do at least that its a wash.

If Key is the Safety they seem to think he can be, by mid-season I think we'll be seeing him on the field, mixing it up with Thornhill and Sorensen, allowing Honey Badger to roam around freely in the secondary the way DT58 had the green light to roam around in the box in the Falcon role.

I'm not super worried about the secondary almost purely from the fact that 1. we will have the lead most of the time and know they are passing, and 2. our interior pass rush (Reed, Wharton, & sometimes Jones) will disrupt and force many quick throws, which means the depth of target will be closer to the LOS, and now we finally have coverage linebackers who can make plays on the ball in Gay & Bolton.

I'm feeling pretty good right now relative to last year's defense.

I appreciate Breeland and he was a great bargain for us while he was here, but people seriously overrate him.