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Mr. Plow 03-15-2016 11:37 AM
NCAA Tourney Schedule

2016 March Madness TV Schedule

Time (ET) Game Net
Sunday, March 13
5:30-7:30 PM NCAA Selection Show CBS

FIRST FOUR
Tuesday, March 15
6:30 PM FGCU/Farleigh Dickinson TruTV
9:00 PM Vanderbilt/Wichita State TruTV

Wednesday, March 16
6:30 PM Holy Cross/Southern TruTV
9:00 PM Michigan/Tulsa TruTV

FIRST ROUND
Thursday, March 17
(Raleigh, Providence, Des Moines and Denver)
12:15 PM Duke/UNC-Wilmington CBS
12:40 PM Texas Tech/Butler TruTV
1:30 PM Colorado/UConn TNT
2:00 PM Iowa State/Iona TBS
2:30 PM Baylor/Yale CBS
3:00 PM Virginia/Hampton TruTV
3:50 PM Kansas/Austin Peay TNT
4:20 PM Purdue/Ark.-Little Rock TBS
6:50 PM Miami/Buffalo TNT
7:10 PM Indiana/Chattanooga CBS
7:20 PM North Carolina/TBA TBS
7:27 PM Utah/Fresno State TruTV
9:15 PM Arizona/TBA TNT
9:30 PM Kentucky/Stony Brook CBS
9:45 PM USC/Providence TBS
9:55 PM Seton Hall/Gonzaga TruTV

Friday, March 18
(Brooklyn, St. Louis, Spokane and OKC)
12:15 PM Dayton/Syracuse CBS
12:40 PM Villanova/UNC-Asheville TruTV
1:30 PM Oregon State/VCU TNT
2:00 PM Cal/Hawaii TBS
2:30 PM Michigan State/Mid. Tenn. St. CBS
3:00 PM Iowa/Temple TruTV
3:50 PM Oklahoma/CSU-Bakersfield TNT
4:20 PM Maryland/SDSU TBS
6:50 PM Wisconsin/Pittsburgh TNT
7:10 PM W. Virginia/Stephen F. Austin CBS
7:20 PM Texas A&M/Green Bay TBS
7:27 PM Oregon/TBA TruTV
9:15 PM Xavier/Weber State TNT
9:30 PM Notre Dame/TBA CBS
9:45 PM Texas/Northern Iowa TBS
9:55 PM St. Joe’s/Cincinnati TruTV

SECOND ROUND
Saturday, March 19
(Raleigh, Providence, Des Moines and Denver)
12:00 PM Second round CBS
2:30 PM Second round CBS
5:00 PM Second round CBS
6:00 PM Second round TNT
7:00 PM Second round TBS
7:30 PM Second round CBS
8:30 PM Second round TNT
9:30 PM Second round TBS

Sunday, March 20
(Brooklyn, St. Louis, Spokane and OKC)
12:00 PM Second round CBS
2:30 PM Second round CBS
5:00 PM Second round CBS
6:00 PM Second round TNT
7:00 PM Second round TBS
7:30 PM Second round TruTV
8:30 PM Second round TNT
9:30 PM Second round TBS

SWEET SIXTEEN
Thursday, March 24
(Louisville and Anaheim)
7:00 PM Early window CBS
7:15 PM Late window TBS
9:30 PM Early window CBS
9:45 PM Late window TBS

Friday, March 25
(Chicago and Philadelphia)
7:00 PM Early window CBS
7:15 PM Late window TBS
9:30 PM Early window CBS
9:45 PM Late window TBS

ELITE EIGHT
Saturday, March 26
(Louisville and Anaheim)
6:00 PM Early window CBS
8:45 PM Late window CBS

Sunday, March 27
(Chicago and Philadelphia)
6:00 PM Early window TBS
8:45 PM Late window TBS

FINAL FOUR
Saturday, April 2
6:00 PM Early window TBS, TNT, TruTV
8:49 PM Late window TBS, TNT, TruTV

Monday, April 4
9:00 PM National Championship TBS, TNT, TruTV

saphojunkie 03-15-2016 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12131894)
It's not a crapshoot. We know that because the last 14 years of Pomeroy the avg rank of winner was 2.7 in the country, and 1.8 if you take out the two UCONN runs. One of the elites wins it nearly every year. The only crapshoot is normally which elite it is


Crapshoot is what KU fans say to avoid addressing Bills shortcomings in March. Something he has a golden opportunity to change
If you take out my dick and balls, I'd be a chick.

I feel like you rely heavily on stats like Pomeroy numbers to quantify basketball down to clinically comparable realities, and it's simply a fool's errand.

And by the way - what a completely ****ing useless statistic you just gave. Over the last 14 years (arbitrary sample size), the AVERAGE RANK of the winner was nearly the THIRD BEST TEAM (crapshoot for 1 and 2, wouldn't you say?). And if you remove the two years where it doesn't support my theory, it's even better! (Even though that's literally once out of every 7 years that someone vastly affects this scenario.)

If you want a reason why Self's teams haven't fared as well in the tournament, it's really simple, and I don't need some dude's stats to rely on like holy gospel to explain it:

guards.

That's it.

Guards.

Bill Self has been known for what at KU? The high-low and developing big men, right? It's why every big man that has played for him for multiple years and started has gone to the NBA: Kaun, Jackson, Wright, Arthur, Aldrich, Robinson, Withey, Embiid, Alexander. And probably Diallo, Bragg, and I wouldn't put it past Self to get ****ing LUCAS there.

So, super duper. Big men. It's solid, reliable basketball. And over a large enough sample size, say... the regular season... it returns consistent wins.

But March is more of a crapshoot. It is a single game elimination six times in a row. That means that spikes in luck can have vastly influences on the outcome.

Now... how does that correlate to the game? Simple. The farther out from basket you are, the less percentages are going to remain consistent. There are more variables at play.

It's why Selden can shoot 60% in non-con and then drop down significantly after that. Because outside shooting is streaky. Over the course of a season, sure, it equalizes to a consistent rate, but over six games? Shit, man... anything is possible.

Think about the Ali Faroukmanesh's of the world. Guys who for ONE GAME can shoot like they never have before, taking down a much more talented, consistent team.

March is about guard play, my friend, which is why I am thankful for Bill Self's watershed moment this season, where he realized that he has to change his recruiting strategy. Having two top-level point guards is going to make this team explode in March. If he can deliver on that promise, we are going to have a fantastic run of Final Fours. Because his regular season consistency (high seed) will be matched with guys who can be more consistent both scoring and defending the outlier position, thereby cutting down on flukey events that make March a crapshoot.

If we can score and defend outside, then it makes it less of a crapshoot. you don't have luck (UNI) versus consistency (KU's high/low).

That's how I see it, anyway.

I wonder Kemba Walker and Shabazz Napier would agree...

Mr. Plow 03-15-2016 11:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12132196)
If you take out my dick and balls, I'd be a chick.

I feel like you rely heavily on stats like Pomeroy numbers to quantify basketball down to clinically comparable realities, and it's simply a fool's errand.

And by the way - what a completely ****ing useless statistic you just gave. Over the last 14 years (arbitrary sample size), the AVERAGE RANK of the winner was nearly the THIRD BEST TEAM (crapshoot for 1 and 2, wouldn't you say?). And if you remove the two years where it doesn't support my theory, it's even better! (Even though that's literally once out of every 7 years that someone vastly affects this scenario.)

If you want a reason why Self's teams haven't fared as well in the tournament, it's really simple, and I don't need some dude's stats to rely on like holy gospel to explain it:

guards.

That's it.

Guards.

Bill Self has been known for what at KU? The high-low and developing big men, right? It's why every big man that has played for him for multiple years and started has gone to the NBA: Kaun, Jackson, Wright, Arthur, Aldrich, Robinson, Withey, Embiid, Alexander. And probably Diallo, Bragg, and I wouldn't put it past Self to get ****ing LUCAS there.

So, super duper. Big men. It's solid, reliable basketball. And over a large enough sample size, say... the regular season... it returns consistent wins.

But March is more of a crapshoot. It is a single game elimination six times in a row. That means that spikes in luck can have vastly influences on the outcome.

Now... how does that correlate to the game? Simple. The farther out from basket you are, the less percentages are going to remain consistent. There are more variables at play.

It's why Selden can shoot 60% in non-con and then drop down significantly after that. Because outside shooting is streaky. Over the course of a season, sure, it equalizes to a consistent rate, but over six games? Shit, man... anything is possible.

Think about the Ali Faroukmanesh's of the world. Guys who for ONE GAME can shoot like they never have before, taking down a much more talented, consistent team.

March is about guard play, my friend, which is why I am thankful for Bill Self's watershed moment this season, where he realized that he has to change his recruiting strategy. Having two top-level point guards is going to make this team explode in March. If he can deliver on that promise, we are going to have a fantastic run of Final Fours. Because his regular season consistency (high seed) will be matched with guys who can be more consistent both scoring and defending the outlier position, thereby cutting down on flukey events that make March a crapshoot.

If we can score and defend outside, then it makes it less of a crapshoot. you don't have luck (UNI) versus consistency (KU's high/low).

That's how I see it, anyway.

I wonder Kemba Walker and Shabazz Napier would agree...
How you see it is correct. I'm honestly trying to think of a lower seed team that has surprisingly won a bunch of tourney games where the key player in that run was a big. Generally, it's a guard that gets hot for 2-4 games and just can't miss that is carrying a team on.

KC_Connection 03-15-2016 12:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12132196)
If you want a reason why Self's teams haven't fared as well in the tournament
Kansas has fared more than fine in the tournament, though. The idea that they haven't is a bit of myth.

Ironically, what Self has been hurt by is the fact that KU is an ultra successful program that is a top 2 seed every year (no other program can say that much, not even Duke who was a #3 in 2014 and #4 in 2016). While that does give them at least a 5% chance of winning the tournament each season, it also gives them more opportunity to lose to a lower seed each year than any other program as well. Duke has faced a bunch of upset losses in early rounds for the same reason. They just have more opportunity to do so.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-15-2016 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 12132165)
Opposing coaches reveal how top seeds can be beaten and by whom

KANSAS (No. 1 seed, South Region)

Big 12 assistant coach on Kansas: "They want to score inside the arc. That's what they want to do. Perry Ellis is so important to them because when things don't go their way, they want to throw it to Perry. If they don't have that option, it makes them a little more perimeter-oriented. I don't think they want to win that way. I think they'd rather win with Perry scoring first or their guards driving it. Now if they hit a couple threes early, [Bill Self] will sit over there and they'll win. But when they aren't making it, he really stresses getting to the rim or throwing it down to the block. ... Wayne Selden surprises you with his lack of confidence when he misses one. I know that sounds crazy, but he'll make one and it changes the way he approaches the rest of them. Everyone is affected by that to some extent, but he's one of the most extreme. At the end of the year, it seems like he always goes through that where he's struggling with his confidence. Where I think he's improved is he has found ways to help them win even when he's not making threes. He'll get an offensive rebound or get to the rim. ... A point guard who's good on ball screens gives them problems. You've got a chance if you have a really good point guard, you can match their physicality inside and then you've got some guys who can make some threes. I know that's a lot to ask for from somebody, but that's what you need. ... Landon Lucas is always in the right place from a rebounding perspective. He really cleans up the glass and gives them extra opportunities. He doesn't make many mistakes defensively. He's also not a guy who requires shots, so those other four guys can be more aggressive.

Who does Kansas want to see in the South Region? Colorado. Without a point guard who can create off the dribble for himself and his teammates, scoring on Kansas is very difficult. The eighth-seeded Buffs have a strong back-to-the-basket center in Josh Scott and a couple shooters, but they would have a hard time initiating offense off the dribble or dealing with Kansas' toughness in the paint.

Who does Kansas want to avoid in the South Region? Maryland. The Terps didn't finish the season strong, but they do possess some of the qualities mentioned above. They have one the best ball-screen point guards in the country in Melo Trimble, a couple of capable shooters and plenty of size inside. Are they tough enough to handle Kansas' physicality though? Maybe we'll find out in the Sweet 16.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-...164911758.html
UCONN doesn't have particularly good guard play either though. So what's the difference?

Mr. Plow 03-15-2016 03:12 PM
Interesting facts

Most efficient defenses, adjusted points allowed per 100 possessions:
1. Wichita State (89.9)
2. Virginia (91.9)
3. Kansas (92.0)


5/1: Kansas' odds to win the national championship. See all of the odds for title contenders and each team's outlook on winning their respective region here.


29: The percentage of brackets at CBSSports.com that have Kansas winning it all.


16: According to our Bracket Voodoo wizardry, that's Kansas' percentage of winning the national title. For perspective, last year's Kentucky team was slated at 41 percent at the start of the tournament, which is an incredibly high number.


Here are the nine most likely teams to reach the Final Four. Notice that Oregon is the lowest on the list despite renting a top seed line.

http://www.cbssports.com/images/blog...lity_table.jpg


-24.5: Kansas' -24.5 line against Austin Peay is the biggest line of the first round, while the Gonzaga-Seton Hall game is the only pick 'em on the board. Here's every line for every Thursday and Friday game.


Most consecutive NCAA tourneys: Kansas (27), Duke (21), Michigan State (19), Gonzaga (17), Wisconsin (17). Additionally, Bill Self is coaching his 16th straight NCAA Tournament as a No. 4 seed or better. INSANE.


7: Kansas is in its seventh consecutive NCAA Tournament with a No. 1 or No. 2 seed. It's the first time this has ever happened at any program. Repeat after me: IN-FREAKING-INSANE.

Chief Pagan 03-15-2016 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 12131724)
If CBB were some sort of a series format like an MLB or NBA then you can take the "madness" out of March. Best team would win it every year then.
I like the NFL way better than other professional sports (although NHL is growing on me), but the best of seven series is better than one and done. Although if it was the NFL, Kansas would only have to win twice at Lawrence and then once on a neutral court to get a championship.

saphojunkie 03-15-2016 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 12132222)
Kansas has fared more than fine in the tournament, though. The idea that they haven't is a bit of myth.

Ironically, what Self has been hurt by is the fact that KU is an ultra successful program that is a top 2 seed every year (no other program can say that much, not even Duke who was a #3 in 2014 and #4 in 2016). While that does give them at least a 5% chance of winning the tournament each season, it also gives them more opportunity to lose to a lower seed each year than any other program as well. Duke has faced a bunch of upset losses in early rounds for the same reason. They just have more opportunity to do so.
I'm not a person that thinks we have underachieved. The run we made to the national title game with Tyshawn and Withey and Robinson... we had a ****ing WALK ON that was playing serious minutes that year. Even had a couple starts.

That was an unbelievable job of coaching by Self that year, and if he hadn't run into a transcendent playing in Anthony Davis, he might have taken the whole damn thing down.

Self is ****ing amazing. He's done great in the tournament. I think people just assume that if you are a 1 seed you should be in the Final Four, even though that's only happened once in history. Even if you say the FF should only be made up of 1 and 2 seeds - that's still 50/50. That's a ****ing coin flip.

It's both ability and luck, and you hope that you have enough ability to overcome bad luck.

Just like everything in life.

Bearcat 03-15-2016 04:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 12132577)
I'm not a person that thinks we have underachieved. The run we made to the national title game with Tyshawn and Withey and Robinson... we had a ****ing WALK ON that was playing serious minutes that year. Even had a couple starts.

That was an unbelievable job of coaching by Self that year, and if he hadn't run into a transcendent playing in Anthony Davis, he might have taken the whole damn thing down.

Self is ****ing amazing. He's done great in the tournament. I think people just assume that if you are a 1 seed you should be in the Final Four, even though that's only happened once in history. Even if you say the FF should only be made up of 1 and 2 seeds - that's still 50/50. That's a ****ing coin flip.

It's both ability and luck, and you hope that you have enough ability to overcome bad luck.

Just like everything in life.
Meh, there's no winning... if you expect more than all the shit Kansas has done in the past several years, then you're entitled and spoiled. If you're good with it, you're obviously just making excuses and don't see the world like the "real" championship teams do.

Mr. Plow 03-15-2016 08:18 PM
WSU tied at 30 with about 15 seconds left in the half.

Buehler445 03-15-2016 08:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 12133408)
WSU tied at 30 with about 15 seconds left in the half.
WSU playing like rotten bean bag. And fouling every possession. This is nothing like the team that beat KU last year. Watch theyll win and find some magic when they play KU.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-15-2016 09:35 PM
I think WSU can beat Zona. They're tougher than they are at least. Zona is pretty soft on the perimeter but they hit the boards.

BWillie 03-15-2016 09:36 PM
Wichita State up 18 with 2 minutes left. Not surprising at all.

Bambi 03-15-2016 09:39 PM
Thought my miserable user ban would have expired by now but it hasn't.

Any idea why? This thread seems a bit sleepy.

Chiefs Pantalones 03-15-2016 10:01 PM
Wichita State ended game on 20-2 run and held Vanderbilt without a field goal for final 8:41 of game. Straight up put them in handcuffs. Damn.


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