Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5478110)

In the interest of full disclosure, I've been pretty hard on Ben in the past.

But two Sunday's ago really opened my eyes.

When they need a play, he makes it. He's clutch. He won't win with style points, but he wins.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5478139)

That's the 'aikman doesn't belong in the hall of fame' argument. Problem is, you can say the same thing for every championship-winning QB in history. They've all had the benefit of great teams around them. Because that's exactly what it takes to win.

And Thigpen doesn't really even belong in this discussion. I'm not the world's biggest Brees fan, but he's a whole echelon above Thigpen. Maybe he'll develop into somebody that we can talk about in that context in four or five years, but his name shouldn't even be mentioned with the others at this point.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5478151)

What I find kind of funny about this argument about Ben and the Steelers D people tend to forget or don't remember the Pats D wasn't chop liver. Their first SB they weren't the greatest but the other SB's they had very good D's. So does that mean Brady is just as lucky as Ben?

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 5478109)

Big Ben is one of the league's best, but the Steelers defense is more important. Put it all together and the Steelers have another championship.

People get mad when other posters cite one game to prove a point, then they turn around and do it themselves. That's an example of taking the argument too far.

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 5478155)

I like BB but they asked if the SB rings were because of defense,

No, 1 was because of him but not both wins and they stated based on the run game and did not mention maybe a defense-LOL

Based on BB alone was the reason because either QB could not be a bust?

Kneel to them cause they are the only one that matters. If you disagree the smiley comes out or WTF.

They suggested no running game because of this years stats and applied it to all SB big bens wins of the SB.

Humm. No. IMO.

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 5478153)

I'd say Brady's light-years above Roethlisberger. He's like a surgeon behind center, the way he runs that offense. Roethlisberger's job is to be more of a game-manager rather than the focal point of the offense, although he's shown signs of moving beyond that. Anyway, I'd say Brady's the best QB in the league right now, and has been for several years. Assuming he can, you know, walk and stuff.

Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 5478155)

I like BB but they asked if the SB rings were because of defense,

No, 1 was because of him but not both wins and they stated based on the run game and did not mention maybe a defense-LOL

Based on BB alone was the reason because either QB could not be a bust?

Kneel to them cause they are the only one that matters. If you disagree the smiley comes out or WTF.

They suggested no running game because of this years stats and applied it to all SB big bens wins of the SB.

Humm. No. IMO.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5478151)

What I find kind of funny about this argument about Ben and the Steelers D people tend to forget or don't remember the Pats D wasn't chop liver. Their first SB they weren't the greatest but the other SB's they had very good D's. So does that mean Brady is just as lucky as Ben?

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5478140)

Yeah, I agree. He was extremely clutch. But, to just brush off what a guy like Brees does, I just don't understand. And Ben has won more Super Bowls than Peyton too. Surely, no one would make an argument that Ben is better than Peyton. I understand this argument, but I just don't think it can be taken as extreme as what some people take it.

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 5477378)

I am off to dinner...I just want to take some time to thank Mecca for even having a conversation with me.

I really do appreciate him taking time for a few of us mere mortals here and there. Message board sports experts are to be respected.