It's more that you, and your ilk have completely discounted Cassel before he's even played a down for the Chiefs.

What it's come down to on this board is a divide between the true fans and the non fans. I think everyone knows where they stand on that. Myself, I'm a true fan, in that I want the Chiefs to win, and think the new guys are making decisions to make that happen. Then theres Mecca and his merry band of high school football stars who really don't seem to give a shit one way or the other, as long as the guys they don't like fail in the end.

LMAO

I agree with all of that up until Brady. I think he's a once-in-a-generation player and one of the very, very few guys that I think could elevate the play of anybody around him. That Patriots offense has been good because of him, not vice-versa, and I think last year - for as well as Cassel played - demonstrates that as well as anything else. Their win/loss record clouds the issue, and their defense was a problem for much of the season, but, even so, that offense was not even close to what it was when he was behind center.

I know it's en vogue to hate the guy, but he's really, really good. Like Montana in his prime good. Like Elway good. He belongs in any discussion with those guys, on his own merit.

You can look here for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderb...dores_football


But more to the point, here are the last seven years:


2002 2 10 0 .167
2003 2 10 0 .167
2004 2 9 0 .182
2005 5 6 0 .455
2006 4 8 0 .333
2007 5 7 0 .417
2008 7 6 0 .539 *includes bowl win*


Red years with Cutler. Same coach throughout. Looks like they're trending up. Since Cutler.

In the 2006 season, Vanderbilt finished with a 4–8 record with sophomore Chris Nickson at quarterback. The 2006 team's peak performance came with a 24–22 defeat of conference rival #16 ranked Georgia at Sanford Stadium, the first time Vanderbilt had ever defeated a ranked opponent on the road. The team came within seconds of defeating Arkansas and Alabama in consecutive weeks.

In 2007, Vanderbilt upset #6 ranked South Carolina 17–6 at Williams-Brice Stadium in Columbia, beating a top 10 team for the first time in 33 years. It was the highest ranked team Vanderbilt had beaten since defeating #6 LSU in 1937, and came one week after losing 20–17 to #21 Georgia on the final play of the game in Nashville. In the following home game against Miami (Ohio), junior wide receiver Earl Bennett made history by breaking the SEC record for most career receptions. Vanderbilt would go on to win the game 24–13.

In 2008, after playing 5 games, the Commodores were 5-0 for the first time since 1943, 3-0 in the Southeastern Conference for the first time since 1950, and one victory away from being eligible for their first bowl appearance since 1982. In the 5th game, they defeated SEC rival Auburn for the first time since 1955, when backup quarterback Mackenzi Adams led them back from an early 13-point deficit. Vanderbilt lost its next four games, but history was made on November 15, 2008, when Vanderbilt defeated the Kentucky Wildcats to become bowl eligible for the first time since 1982. The Commodores finished the 2008 regular season with losses to Tennessee and Wake Forest, completing the regular season with a 6-6 record (4-4 in the SEC).

Their 2008 finish was good enough for the Commodores to earn an invitation to play the Boston College Eagles in the Music City Bowl on December 31, 2008. In a dramatic come-from-behind win, Vanderbilt beat Boston College by a score of 16-14, to win its first bowl game in fifty-three years.

Their defense must be much better the last couple years than when Cutler was there. No way they only win that many games if he gets some defensive help./CP "non true fans"

Best. Offseason. Ever.

And as pointed out numerous times, I want the team to win as well, and have said that I hope like hell I'm wrong on Cassel. I'll gladly eat crow if he leads us to a championship.

Unlike you, I feel it is perfectly acceptable to hope your team wins, while sometimes disagreeing with decisions that are made by the FO.

Just because Pioli has 3 rings to his name doesn't make him impervious to failure, or making bad decisions.

Say it loud and say it proud.

I'd rather be wrong than right about Cassel but I'm not going to change my logical opinion to express that.

I don't think being a real fan means you sit back and don't question moves you don't agree with.

STL is the only hope under GOD for Denver now. I wonder if Spags will barter?

I'd require an industrial-sized, zoo mop to clean up the JIMP!


ROFL ****in' shit!ROFL

It's part of the Pioli master plan; we acquire him for dirt-cheap as our O-Coord in the 2009 off season.

LMAO


Damn straight.

Derek Anderson had more college experience, less to work with on offense, a far inferior staff to help him, and had the same record as a starter.

Just got off work, details please?

This origin myth is right up there with the Trickster Coyote. For ****'s sake, does anyone read the goddamned news anymore?

Nevermind just saw the bears were assraped in the trade then skull****ed afterwards

Watch Chicago go 14-2 or something and Denver ends up with a low 1st next year. Which still ain't too bad. I can't believe they got 2 first's for him. A 1st, 3rd and Orton was more than sufficient. :spock: