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Hammock Parties 03-13-2013 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9496277)
Where does the defense have to be?

I dunno, but again, even if our defense is top 10, there's a pretty big gap between 10 and 2, especially when you're playing Peyton Manning instead of Sam Bradford.

Alex Smith had a perfect storm in San Francisco. That's unlikely to be replicated here.

BossChief 03-13-2013 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496284)
One thing to consider: Despite Reid's QB prowess, how many games does he cost his team with his egregious clock management?

And play calling in certain game situations.

DJ's left nut 03-13-2013 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496272)
They drop in short zones because he can't take the top off the defense. That's also why he's so efficient on those early downs. They guard against the deeper pass, giving up the shorter routes as a concession.

Unless he can consistently make the passes he made against the Saints in 2011 he'll face the same issues that Chad Pennington did.

I'm really curious to see what he can do with a 'run under' deep threat.

I said it in another thread, but I was really surprised by how often he overthrew deep passes. He doesn't throw a 'hard' deep ball at all - he has to throw one that his WR runs under. Crabtree doesn't get separation; he's not a guy that's going to do that. Avery, on the other hand, can be that guy.

And another interesting element would be something as simple as Jamaal Charles on a wheel route. We forget how dynamic Charles was downfield when he was backing up LJ. If you send him up the field, he can create pretty massive mismatches.

I agree with you - he needs to do something to make teams respect the deep halves. And no, I don't think someone like Bowe would've been the answer. However, a burner that can run under the lofted deep balls that Smith throws might be.

Rasputin 03-13-2013 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9496281)
I'd also add that not having Vernon Davis is probably going to be a bigger problem than people think.

While we have Bowe, when your QB can't threaten past 20 yards, WRs become far less effective.

Without the additional threat of a freak athletic TE controlling the hash, and absolutely changing coverages, defenses are going to defend Alex Smith differently here, I'd wager. Particularly in the red zone.

Ya know what I'm most afraid of GtH? I'm afraid of Alex Smith leaving JC out to dry on out passes to him. Hope this is unwarranted fear.

DaneMcCloud 03-13-2013 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9496290)
Ya know what I'm most afraid of GtH? I'm afraid of Alex Smith leaving JC out to dry on out passes to him. Hope this is unwarranted fear.

You mean like he did to Frank Gore all the time?

Hammock Parties 03-13-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9496290)
Ya know what I'm most afraid of GtH? I'm afraid of Alex Smith leaving JC out to dry on out passes to him. Hope this is unwarranted fear.

Alex Smith, by all accounts, has very good short accuracy.

What's more concerning to me is that he seems like the kind of guy who isn't even going to take a chance of exposing a WRs ribs.

Sometimes you gotta squeeze that shit in there and tell the WR to deal with it.

DJ's left nut 03-13-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9496281)
I'd also add that not having Vernon Davis is probably going to be a bigger problem than people think.

While we have Bowe, when your QB can't threaten past 20 yards, WRs become far less effective.

Without the additional threat of a freak athletic TE controlling the hash, and absolutely changing coverages, defenses are going to defend Alex Smith differently here, I'd wager. Particularly in the red zone.

Oh I think it's going to be a pretty substantial problem. I think a healthy Moeaki will help and I think the fact that teams will have to almost spy Charles out of the backfield will help even more (Gore could be caught up to; give Charles the ball in space and it's all over but the tears). But yeah, not having that built-in mismatch will hurt him.

It's why Avery could be so critical. Right now the biggest potential advantage this team could have over the weapons he had in SF is a legitimate #2 WR that can spread the field. He didn't have that in SF at all. If that comes to fruition, it could go a long ways towards mitigating the loss of Davis.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-13-2013 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9496289)
I'm really curious to see what he can do with a 'run under' deep threat.

I said it in another thread, but I was really surprised by how often he overthrew deep passes. He doesn't throw a 'hard' deep ball at all - he has to throw one that his WR runs under. Crabtree doesn't get separation; he's not a guy that's going to do that. Avery, on the other hand, can be that guy.

And another interesting element would be something as simple as Jamaal Charles on a wheel route. We forget how dynamic Charles was downfield when he was backing up LJ. If you send him up the field, he can create pretty massive mismatches.

I agree with you - he needs to do something to make teams respect the deep halves. And no, I don't think someone like Bowe would've been the answer. However, a burner that can run under the lofted deep balls that Smith throws might be.

That's why I thought DHB was actually a good signing for this team. No complaints with Avery, especially given some of the insane contracts given out today.

Hammock Parties 03-13-2013 11:55 PM

Doggone it.

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jd34 03-13-2013 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9496220)
I'm not going to go to in depth as you're probably a complete waste of time and will never contribute anything to this forum worth reading but yes, Geno is a 1.1 caliber QB in this draft.

In regards to last years draft, he would have likely gone behind Tannehill and ahead of Weeden but your post leaves so much speculation that it is a ridiculous question (Are you comparing 2012-13 Geno or 11/12 Geno for that draft).

Additionally, from what little I've seen the QBs next year are significantly behind Geno/Barkley in terms of adequately diagnosing fronts/coverages and going through progressions.

Thank you for your warm reception.

I have spent a large amount of time studying the upcoming draft and I stand by my position, so we will just agree to disagree.

DJ's left nut 03-13-2013 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9496299)
Alex Smith, by all accounts, has very good short accuracy.

What's more concerning to me is that he seems like the kind of guy who isn't even going to take a chance of exposing a WRs ribs.

Sometimes you gotta squeeze that shit in there and tell the WR to deal with it.

You'll never ever see a better example of that than the TD throw to beat the Saints.

You see him look off the underneath coverage and as soon as Davis clears, he steps and delivers an absolute seed to Davis just as the safety is closing in. Davis gets in the air, catches the ball and delivers the hit to Roman Harper, who had timed his collision absolutely perfectly.

He's capable of doing it and when the situation mandates it, is clearly willing to do it. Like I said, though, he appears more inclined to take the 'live to fight another day' approach.

And there are going to be times that we're damn happy about that, even if we don't really realize it.

Rasputin 03-13-2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Go to Hell (Post 9496299)
Alex Smith, by all accounts, has very good short accuracy.

What's more concerning to me is that he seems like the kind of guy who isn't even going to take a chance of exposing a WRs ribs.

Sometimes you gotta squeeze that shit in there and tell the WR to deal with it.

He doesn't take risk, he takes a lot of sacks. He is going break apart Mid~Air~Season.

Ninjafitz 03-13-2013 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9496289)
I'm really curious to see what he can do with a 'run under' deep threat.

I said it in another thread, but I was really surprised by how often he overthrew deep passes. He doesn't throw a 'hard' deep ball at all - he has to throw one that his WR runs under. Crabtree doesn't get separation; he's not a guy that's going to do that. Avery, on the other hand, can be that guy.

And another interesting element would be something as simple as Jamaal Charles on a wheel route. We forget how dynamic Charles was downfield when he was backing up LJ. If you send him up the field, he can create pretty massive mismatches.

I agree with you - he needs to do something to make teams respect the deep halves. And no, I don't think someone like Bowe would've been the answer. However, a burner that can run under the lofted deep balls that Smith throws might be.

Alex threw one of the best wheel route throws I have ever seen earlier this year.

Another thing is that Alex is very smart and can check into the right play. He also makes a lot of changes at the line and this all goes unnoticed

2012 Regular season
Frank Gore with Alex averaged 82 yards per game(5.5 yards per carry)in 8 games
Frank Gore with Colin averaged 65 yards per game(3.9 yards per carry)in 7 games

I did not use any stats from the rams game where Alex played 1 quarter.

Hammock Parties 03-14-2013 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninjafitz (Post 9496317)
2012 Regular season
Frank Gore with Alex averaged 82 yards per game(5.5 yards per carry)in 8 games

Frank Gore with Colin averaged 65 yards per game(3.9 yards per carry)in 7 games

I did not use any stats from the rams game where Alex played 1 quarter.

What was also cool that your scored more points with Colin Kaepernick.

**** YPC.

DaneMcCloud 03-14-2013 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9496316)
He doesn't take risk, he takes a lot of sacks. He is going break apart Mid~Air~Season.

How many sacks did Andrew Luck take in 2012?


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