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OldSchool 06-14-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10691840)
I had assumed they'd both be cut after the 2014 season, unless they agreed to stay on at a drastically lower pay grade.

I can't understand why they wouldn't hold on to Flowers for one more season. That would make way more sense, even needing to extend Houston and Smith.

Maybe because Flowers sucked on the perimeter in this system and sucked in the slot? So they want to move on to someone who might stand a chance at being better?

TribalElder 06-14-2014 09:12 PM

will he land with the patriots :shrug:

OldSchool 06-14-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 10691913)
will he land with the patriots :shrug:

He'd be their 4th best corner. The only places where he'll get a shot at starting is Oakland or SD and maybe Detroit. That's because their secondaries are so bad.

TribalElder 06-14-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10691925)
He'd be their 4th best corner. The only places where he'll get a shot at starting is Oakland or SD and maybe Detroit. That's because their secondaries are so bad.

I would think he would want to play for a playoff team instead of start for a shit team

ToxSocks 06-14-2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10691925)
He'd be their 4th best corner. The only places where he'll get a shot at starting is Oakland or SD and maybe Detroit. That's because their secondaries are so bad.

Now you're just being dramatic.

Sorter 06-14-2014 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10691942)
Now you're just being dramatic.

Revis, Browner one could agree with. Neither play inside though. Arrington is a solid slot CB but can't play on the outside as well as Flowers.

Sully 06-14-2014 09:36 PM

I've tried, but I just can't get too worked up about this. I likes Flowers, but he's declining. I ask myself these questions;

Was he an above average player? (I don't think so, anymore)

Did he fit our scheme? (Mostly not)

Was he worth his contract? (Absolutely not)

Are the players expected to replace him better than he is? (Probably not as I type this, but my gut feeling is that they will produce AT LEAST as well as he would've this coming season)

Does this move make us better? (No)
Does this move make us worse? (IMO, marginally, if that)

Sully 06-14-2014 09:37 PM

The biggest thing I think we'll miss is Flowers run support on the fringes. He was courageous in run support.

suzzer99 06-14-2014 09:38 PM

Why can't Flowers move to safety?

Easy 6 06-14-2014 09:39 PM

We're not really going to miss him, this was going to happen sooner or later anyway.

Lets get the length, speed and youth out there asap... sincere best wishes to a model Chief, but this is best for everyone involved.

Sully 06-14-2014 09:40 PM

I think, ultimately, this is the churn we should expect with our roster. It's a pure weighing of value. Is the money tied up in a declining player worth more than if we could spend that money now or in the future on an ascending player? This regime clearly believes it isn't.

ThaVirus 06-14-2014 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10691899)
Maybe because Flowers sucked on the perimeter in this system and sucked in the slot? So they want to move on to someone who might stand a chance at being better?


Right. A top 10 CB over the past 4 seasons had a down year while playing in a new scheme so we'll move on to a #2 that was legitimately raped in his time as a #1 CB, an undrafted FA, a journeyman, a 5'9" slot guy, and a 3rd round rookie...

Solid plan.

TribalElder 06-14-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 10691963)
Why can't Flowers move to safety?

because we cut him LMAO

OldSchool 06-14-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 10691942)
Now you're just being dramatic.

He wouldn't start over either Revis or Browner. Dennard would likely be slotted ahead of him. Their younger DB, Logan Ryan, had a great year last year with 5 INTs in limited time so they'll likely put him ahead of Flowers too because his ceiling would be higher.

OldSchool 06-14-2014 10:14 PM

Flowers was so good last year.

QB stats against Flowers in 2013:

64/96 66.7% comp against Flowers

846 yards allowed

4 TDs

103 passer rating

But by all means, hang on to the 5'9" CB who runs a 4.55 with a 30" vertical when he clearly demonstrated last season that he would be nothing more than an ineffective player in this scheme. Hell, he couldn't even manage the slot at a high level.


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