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Hydrae 10-17-2018 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13824922)
It really seems like if this was going to happen, it would've been done within 24 hours tops

Veach is brainstorming trying to figure out what to do about Ragland, DJ gets released, a phone call is made within minutes "hey DJ come on home"... and boom, done

But that didnt happen

If Veach wanted him here, he'd be here... Brett is apparently doubling down on Ragland, committing the classic GM error of being afraid to admit a mistake

The mistake of letting DJ go in the first place? Kind of like Parker? :shake:

htismaqe 10-17-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 13825127)
The mistake of letting DJ go in the first place? Kind of like Parker? :shake:

Letting them both go was the right move. Not replacing them with somebody better was the mistake.

R Clark 10-17-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 13825131)
Letting them both go was the right move. Not replacing them with somebody better was the mistake.

Right on

O.city 10-17-2018 07:19 PM

Old and slow isn’t what the defense needs

Randallflagg 10-17-2018 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13825139)
Old and slow isn’t what the defense needs


Indeed. The Chiefs already have “Old and Slow” and his name is Bob Sutton..... :thumb:

Easy 6 10-17-2018 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13825139)
Old and slow isn’t what the defense needs

It sure beats dumb and slow

FAX 10-17-2018 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13825182)
It sure beats dumb and slow

That would be my argument.

FAX

O.city 10-17-2018 07:52 PM

It doesn’t really matter how smart he is. He’s to slow.

You can’t make up for that

FAX 10-17-2018 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13825199)
It doesn’t really matter how smart he is. He’s to slow.

You can’t make up for that

It may seem like I disagree with you on stuff, Mr. O.city. Sorry about that if you get that impression. It's just discussion, after all.

But that is freaking wrong, man!!! (Actually, it's sort of right, too.)

DJ learned how to scout and prepare as well as any linebacker in the league. Knowing what to expect gives you the advantage even if you're a step or two slow. He also developed a technique that allowed him to skim by blocks instead of engaging them. That's a very special skill that he's refined.

You see it all the time (you saw it Sunday night with Brady). Experience can make a slow guy faster and lack of experience can make a fast guy look slow. He actually had 3 solo tackles in his last game with the Fade. Ragland had 4. Thing is, DJ had about 1/10 the number of snaps.

What he can't do is cover worth a damn anymore.

FAX

ROYC75 10-17-2018 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 13825209)
It may seem like I disagree with you on stuff, Mr. O.city. Sorry about that if you get that impression. It's just discussion, after all.

But that is freaking wrong, man!!! (Actually, it's sort of right, too.)

DJ learned how to scout and prepare as well as any linebacker in the league. Knowing what to expect gives you the advantage even if you're a step or two slow. He also developed a technique that allowed him to skim by blocks instead of engaging them. That's a very special skill that he's refined.

You see it all the time (you saw it Sunday night with Brady). Experience can make a slow guy faster and lack of experience can make a fast guy look slow. He actually had 3 solo tackles in his last game with the Fade. Ragland had 4. Thing is, DJ had about 1/10 the number of snaps.

What he can't do is cover worth a damn anymore.

FAX

Which any team will / should exploit it often.

FAX 10-17-2018 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 13825227)
Which any team will / should exploit it often.

You would have to limit his exposure in that regard, to be sure, Mr. ROYC75.

But, in all honesty, is Ragbags significantly better?

Look, I'm not advocating for getting the band back together because it would be cool to see. I sincerely believe that having a functioning brain that knows how to properly scout and prepare for the enemy would help us in the middle.

DJ can do that ... and I believe that would help this defense in the short term.

FAX

ROYC75 10-17-2018 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 13825233)
You would have to limit his exposure in that regard, to be sure, Mr. ROYC75.

But, in all honesty, is Ragbags significantly better?

Look, I'm not advocating for getting the band back together because it would be cool to see. I sincerely believe that having a functioning brain that knows how to properly scout and prepare for the enemy would help us in the middle.

DJ can do that ... and I believe that would help this defense in the short term.

FAX

The problem I see with this is, say DJ is in a play, he see's the offense lined up, calls the defensive play. Then the QB see's that DJ is in, audible, play is taking DJ out in the flat, across the middle, DJ can't keep up.

Now the only thing DJ is good for now is Red Zone and goal line, limited range to cover. He can still read a HB and shoot the gap, he was always excellent at that. Now that can be a benefit to the defense.

Goes along with the bend don't break, but we need stops before they get FG's too. Him coaching from the sideline is only as good as any defensive coach in charge of LB's.

mcaj22 10-17-2018 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13825199)
It doesn’t really matter how smart he is. He’s to slow.

You can’t make up for that

young and slow might be worse. they will double down on young and slow.

FAX 10-17-2018 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75 (Post 13825259)
The problem I see with this is, say DJ is in a play, he see's the offense lined up, calls the defensive play. Then the QB see's that DJ is in, audible, play is taking DJ out in the flat, across the middle, DJ can't keep up.

Now the only thing DJ is good for now is Red Zone and goal line, limited range to cover. He can still read a HB and shoot the gap, he was always excellent at that. Now that can be a benefit to the defense.

Goes along with the bend don't break, but we need stops before they get FG's too. Him coaching from the sideline is only as good as any defensive coach in charge of LB's.

Makes sense ...

I suppose I should clarify why I'm down with this idea in the first place ...

I've been watching a lot of film and the most conspicuous issue I see with the MLBs is hesitation at the snap. At first, I thought they were just having trouble shedding blocks. Then, I thought maybe they simply weren't hitting the correct gaps (which might explain why they were taking bad angles and the blocks were thusly more effective). Finally, I realized that the issue is more fundamental. They're guessing out there. Now, I don't know the calls, obviously, so I'm not completely certain that's the case. However, it appears to me that they are hesitating at the snap. Can't read ... can't react.

To me, that means one of two things; either they're presented with un-scouted formations or they're simply unsure of their responsibility. If it's the latter, that's on the coaches. If it's the former, they need to do more film work.

If any of that is true, it boils down to this; knowing and expecting is a ton better than guessing and indecisive. In that light, I view DJ as a net positive (if I'm right, of course).

Again, I can't prove it. But that's what it looks like from this monitor.

FAX

BossChief 10-17-2018 09:16 PM

Nice having you back around, FAX.


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