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staylor26 02-08-2023 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16793999)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nine more missed field goal attempt titles<br>Two more easy rings<br>One more MVP vs LeBron’s stolen MVPs<br>3 stealing titles against people who couldn’t dribble with both hands + hand check<br>4 more defensive teams in the guard category vs LeBron in the forward category</p>&mdash; LeSage (@ChampionBron) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChampionBron/status/1623430194294886404?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It's funny how Lebron Stans act like trolls (Barry) and simultaneously think they're making good arguments.

But "faulty logic", right?

dirk digler 02-08-2023 03:52 PM
Like I said this debate is tiring. I am not going to change your mind and you aren't changing mine so let's agree to disagree and move on. Go Chiefs.

KC_Connection 02-08-2023 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 16794021)
The Bulls and Warriors were great teams almost entirely built via the draft, as opposed to established stars agreeing to go to the same team at the same time. Huge difference.
It's certainly a lot easier drafting a top 50 player of all time to your team in Scottie Pippen instead of having to carry teams with Mo Williams and Larry Hughes as the #2 guys.

Also, it should probably be pointed out here that basketball HOFers Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc didn't come through the draft.

KC_Connection 02-08-2023 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16794022)
It's funny how Lebron Stans act like trolls (Barry) and simultaneously think they're making good arguments.

But "faulty logic", right?
Using MVPs as an argument when LeBron should have won about 10 of them is probably even more faulty logic than the rings stuff, I'd agree.

staylor26 02-08-2023 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16794025)
Like I said this debate is tiring. I am not going to change your mind and you aren't changing mine so let's agree to disagree and move on. Go Chiefs.
KCC can't accept this, because he knows that he's in the minority.

KC_Connection 02-08-2023 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16794033)
KCC can't accept this, because he knows that he's in the minority.
I can accept it just fine that people here are using the same faulty rings logic to argue for MJ that they are ironically going to be forced to argue against in a few years with respect to Mahomes.

staylor26 02-08-2023 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16794031)
Using MVPs as an argument when LeBron should have won about 10 of them is probably even more faulty logic than the rings stuff, I'd agree.
Ok so take those out:

Nine more scoring titles.
Two more rings
Two more Finals MVPs
One more DPOY award
3 more Steals titles
Four more NBA All-Defensive First Teams

Still a HOF career gap. Sorry. Jordan did more with less.

Quality >>> Quantity

Peak >>> Longevity

New World Order 02-08-2023 03:59 PM
Just take the L here KCC and enjoy his scoring achievement LMAO

KC_Connection 02-08-2023 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16794036)
Nine more scoring titles.
LeBron was a facilitator, never a scorer. He could have averaged 40+ a game easily if he shot as much as MJ did.

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Two more rings
Two more Finals MVPs
Faulty rings logic. Been over this.

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One more DPOY award
I love Marc Gasol for his career in Memphis and for winning a title for my Raptors, but LeBron should have won the 2013 DPOY over him.

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Four more NBA All-Defensive First Teams
Easier to make those teams as a guard than a forward.

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Quality >>> Quantity

Peak >>> Longevity
Even if MJ's peak was better than LeBron's (it wasn't), LeBron's body of work over his entire career destroys him.

staylor26 02-08-2023 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16794035)
I can accept it just fine that people here are using the same faulty rings logic to argue for MJ that they are ironically going to be forced to argue against in a few years with respect to Mahomes.
Many of us have already said/agreed that it's not just about the rings.

It's about the context and the dominance. It's about the eye test.

But pretending the rings don't matter and are irrelevant is laughable.

AdolfOliverBush 02-08-2023 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16794027)
It's certainly a lot easier drafting a top 50 player of all time to your team in Scottie Pippen instead of having to carry teams with Mo Williams and Larry Hughes as the #2 guys.

Also, it should probably be pointed out here that basketball HOFers Dennis Rodman and Toni Kukoc didn't come through the draft.
MJ won three rings without Rodman, and Kukoc is in the HOF for what he did in Europe. Jordan made Pippen what he was.

KC_Connection 02-08-2023 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 16794038)
Just take the L here KCC and enjoy his scoring achievement LMAO
Take the L over MJ fans desperately grasping at straws using rings logic and debatable peak levels to argue that LeBron's career wasn't better than MJ's? Nah.

staylor26 02-08-2023 04:03 PM
"Hey if we completely ignore Jordan's dominance and winning in a team sport Lebron's clearly #1"

KC_Connection 02-08-2023 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 16794042)
Many of us have already said/agreed that it's not just about the rings.

It's about the context and the dominance. It's about the eye test.

But pretending the rings don't matter and are irrelevant is laughable.
The MJ argument over LeBron at this point is akin to saying that Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT in the NFL because his 5 year peak right now is the best of all time. I'm the biggest Mahomes' backer there is, but that's a silly argument. Longevity matters in the GOAT discussion. It matters a lot.

And LeBron's quality in combination with his ridiculous longevity is unmatched by anybody that has ever played the game. It's not even close.

staylor26 02-08-2023 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 16794052)
The MJ argument over LeBron at this point is akin to saying that Patrick Mahomes is the GOAT in the NFL because his 5 year peak right now is the best of all time. I'm the biggest Mahomes' backer there is, but that's a silly argument. Longevity matters in the GOAT discussion. It matters a lot.

And LeBron's quality in combination with his ridiculous longevity is unmatched by anybody that has ever played the game. It's not even close.
If Mahomes had more championships (among other things) than Brady in that time span, it wouldn't be a silly argument you ****ing reerun.

Again, MJ did more with less.

Nice self own though.


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