Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371260)

By all means, discuss training camp.

Jamaal Charles is here despite a recently blown ACL. Eric Berry isn't because of a bruised ego.

Discuss...

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371275)

Fair 'nuff. I figured I'd eventually get bored of this anyway so I s'pose I'll bow out.

Though I saw a picture of Tyreke Hill in there....am I allowed to remind you fellas that he's human garbage? Because Tyreke Hill is human garbage.

In a matter unrelated to the last 100+ posts, I saw Nicolas get pretty much owned by Harris on pass pro earlier today and Harris is by no means a stellar blocker. I know Nicolas ****ed some guys up last week, but we should probably still tap the brakes a little bit. The kid's still extremely raw.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371036)

Of course it has nothing to do with Berry; not Berry the man anyway.

It has everything to do with a supposed team leader taking his ball and going home because he's saving himself for his next employer. How is that 'making up' reasons to be angry? That's legitimate bullshit and you'd never stand for it in any other walk of life.

It also has plenty to do with Berry the player being here and building a rapport with his teammates; many of whom are new to this system. We will be playing much different football in our secondary without Smith. He allowed us to do some unique things that an incredibly physical corner allows you to do. We don't have that so things are going to have to be done a little differently. All that will be determined by how the parts fit together and how they can interact together.

But we won't know any of that because a key cog in the secondary won't get his ass into camp so we can find out. So hey, I guess we'll just find out when the bullets start flying in September, eh? Lots of margin for error in a 16 game season; no worries, EB...

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12371279)

ROFL

I hope Hill never holds out-or he will really piss you off.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371265)

Tony Gonzalez was ****ing Tony Gonzalez. I still don't think a player like him would do it when the team is so ****ing close to a SB. No way.

Alshon Jeffrey isn't the only guy that is at camp on the tag. They all are, except Berry.

Is Berry better than all of those guys?

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 12371282)

Didn't know we were so close to a SB.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371281)

No doubt.



I hope he's out there at practice every day, every drill.



Makes it that much more likely he'll blow out both his knees...

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 12371282)

Didn't know we were so close to a SB.

Originally Posted by Kman34 (Post 12371284)

I don't give a shit if he's there or not.....As long as he shows up 9/11/16 at 12:00 noon, ready to kick ass....

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371174)

Give me a quote, a Instagram post, Twitter, anything that shows his passion for the Chiefs and that "family" love.

Shit, I can give you 100 just from a rookie like KeiVarae Russell alone. As the emotional leader of this team, I just expect a little more love. Is that not fair?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371283)

It's a low bar, but this team's closer to a SB than anything we've had since '94 and there are maybe three or four teams that are demonstrably more likely to get there than we are.

But a quick start is a must and having all hands on deck would make a difference.

This is an extremely good football team.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12371295)

LMAO This is hilarious.

Come on, man.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12371298)

If they had a healthy houston, I'd feel alot better about it.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371303)

Chicken shit.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12371305)

KeiVarae Russell also talked about generational wealth and working for that 2nd contract.

He cares about $$ just as much as Berry

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12371300)

Chiefs should have taken his salary last year.

It's a business after all.


Could they have taken it and rolled it over to this year's cap?

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371301)

Laugh all you want, it's the truth. He's supposed to possess these unique leadership qualities, but I just don't see any evidence of them. This is just one example.

KeiVarae Russell, a rookie, has more pride about being a Chief than Berry. Alshon Jeffrey, another great player in his position, is more willing to set his ego aside and report to camp. There's a contradiction here when you're telling me this guy is the ultimate leader.

Being the leader and the face of a team calls for a little extra. It's only fair when you're saying he should be paid more than his play says he should due to that quality.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12371307)

Lol.

If they're without their best defensive player for the majority of the season or if he's not 100 percent, that's gonna hamper their ability to win a superbowl.

In your terms, this is not arguable.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371308)

That's fine, but I really doubt people are going to be telling me that Russell deserves more than he's earned on the field, because he's some ultimate leader with unique leadership qualities, especially if he held out too.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371315)

I have no doubt that Houston will be back at some point this season, and ready to roll by the playoffs.

This team could survive the regular season without him though. This offense is going to be really ****ig good. We're going to win games in the trenches. I can't think of a team with a better OL & DL combo than us. People are really underestimating that.

Also, Chris Jones is going to give us a gigantic boost in the interior pass rush department, and Dee Ford will also be a solid pass rusher. We'll be fine.

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 12371311)

What a guy posts, if he even posts at all, on social media doesn't have two shit's worth of effect on leadership abilities.

You're obviously butthurt about this whole situation. Your red's all up. Let go.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12371322)

Well, you had no doubt he'd be back playong by game one, so I'm doubting your no doubt skills.

They can survive without him, absolutely.

I don't think they're a superbowl contender without him. Dee Ford replacing him at strong olb is a big drop off.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371324)

Do you idiots read? I asked for a quote, a video clip, social media posts, anything.



And I've actually been as neutral as you can be on this topic till today. I'm not angry a bit. I still love Berry on the field and hope he comes back this year and leads this team to a SB. I'm just dissapointed because I bought into him being this unique individual when he's really just like the rest.



Like I said, Jamaal ****ing Charles is the guy everybody makes Berry out to be.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12371319)

JFC this shit is so stupid.

Once again, the guy is a 4X pro bowler, 2X first team all-pro and comeback player of the year. This isn't Branden ****ing Albert or Sean Smith who have nothing on their resumes.

If you were recognized year in and year out for being the best in the league you too would want to get ****ing paid like it.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371339)

I've already given the Jamaal Charles comparison. He's a perfect example that not every player is like that. Honestly, I wouldn't be either. I'd care more about winning a SB and being a part of something special.

But Eric Berry is not the best safety in the NFL. He was paid like one since day one, and he's received the accolades, so he feels entitled to be paid like it again (and then some). That's fine. I'm on Dorsey's side. I let him walk at that price, and thank him for everything he's done. It's not personal. I'm just dissapointed because I thought Berry was more like Charles, but he's not. That's okay, just stop preaching about his leadership qualities.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12371340)

He is a leader. Not showing up to training camp doesn't mean he isn't a leader.

Ask anyone on this team and they will tell you he's one of the teams leaders.

Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12371309)

or re-signed Branch and Smith instead....too much PR back-lash for that to happen though. Berry's comeback story kind of tied their hands...at least for another season.

I'm happy he's back...also happy KC didnt cave to the hype.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371339)

I've already given the Jamaal Charles comparison. He's a perfect example that not every player is like that. Honestly, I wouldn't be either. I'd care more about winning a SB and being a part of something special.

But Eric Berry is not the best safety in the NFL. He was paid like one since day one, and he's received the accolades, so he feels entitled to be paid like it again (and then some). That's fine. I'm on Dorsey's side. I let him walk at that price, and thank him for everything he's done. It's not personal. I'm just dissapointed because I thought Berry was more like Charles, but he's not. That's okay, just stop preaching about his leadership qualities.

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12371353)

But he's not back though, is he?

Mr. Leadership is at home instead of here helping all the young guys we have develop.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371357)

You have no idea if JC would sit out of training camp if he was franchised.

Stop making up narratives about players.
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371364)

A lot of players have held out of TC when they've been franchised. The reigning Superbowl MVP held out of training camp.

Holding out has nothing to do with leadership.
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Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12371347)

Bærry can't get no love from CP & apparently now hates KC & the fans because he doesn't tweet or fb or whatever social media enough KC luv or personally wrap his lips around every fan he encounters cock and blow them on the spot while doing the tomahawk chop.

God this derailed quick.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371383)

If I agree with Laz, I feel compelled to change my position.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371375)

And yet Berry is the only one to do it this year.

If you don't understand what that has to do with leadership, then you don't understand leadership.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371383)

If I agree with Laz, I feel compelled to change my position.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371387)

Or you don't understand NFL players and underestimate their intelligence. You don't think they understand they're one play away from a career ending injury? You don't think they want to see their coworkers get the most money possible before their career ends? Players understand business. They understand the risks they take when they come out to practice. They understand when certain players don't come to training camp to protect themselves.

Why do you keep acting like Berry is the only player to ever hold out? Once again the Superbowl MVP held out of training camp last year. His teammates understood. Same thing is going on with the Chiefs.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12371379)

Whiny homer shit here, nothing more.

Let's review:

1. In a business where everyone is out for themselves, the Chiefs didn't recoup millions of dollars when they easily could.

2. This year Berry is going to be the 4th highest paid Chiefs at 10 million.

3. Apparently the Chiefs angered Berry during Contract negotiation by asking that he pay for an insurance policy that would protect BOTH party if the Chiefs gave him a huge contract. Of course the Chiefs didn't want to go after Berry's paid contract money if he got sick, they had already proven that by not going after it last year. I guess didn't appreciate it last year or now.

Now Berry is so insulted by the Chiefs not taking 5 million dollars back and paying him 10 million dollars this year that he's decided to sit out training camp and let all the young secondary guys "lead" themselves. Remember ... Berry's salary can't be judged by stats alone, he's THE team leader.


I have no idea why fans of the Chiefs are a little irritated at the moment. None whatsoever.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12371395)

Seems the guys who've already signed their cap deal figured the cap number was more than they were likely to make in a year on a long term deal. Like cousins and the qb number.

With berry wanting 12 per, Im guessing that's why he hasn't been so quick to sign.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371357)

You have no idea if JC would sit out of training camp if he was franchised.

Stop making up narratives about players.
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371398)

Who said Berry was insulted? He can't possibly want to protect himself from injury?
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371389)

So Eric Berry is more selfish than Alshon Jeffrey and those guys? That's the only answer. Those guys were willing to be team players and take that risk, why can't he? ESPECIALLY if he's the ultimate leader. Doesn't being a team player and a leader go hand in hand?

You can't dance around this forever.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371399)

The risk is all the same. Regardless of that, Berry still only has one deal on the table. It's his only option, and it's more than fair.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371404)

He is more proven than Jeffries and can afford to miss training camp. Jeffries came in camp overweight one year. Berry had cancer and still was able to stay in shape. one can afford to miss camp, one can't simple as that.
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371406)

You have to be a special kind of douchebag to call these guys selfish.

Most of these guys have the education to do one thing: Play ball.

If you're extremely lucky, that happens for more than 3 years. To the human body it's like having X amount of car accidents every game - followed by painkillers, shots, therapy, etc. rinse, repeat.

All for your entertainment.

I have no issues with these guys trying to get every single penny they can to live on for the last 40+ years of their lives.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371406)

You have to be a special kind of douchebag to call these guys selfish.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12371413)

I agree but there's no reason to holdout at this point, he can't get more this year

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371414)

If I'm any one thing, it's a special kind of douchebag...

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371406)

You have to be a special kind of douchebag to call these guys selfish.

Most of these guys have the education to do one thing: Play ball.

If you're extremely lucky, that happens for more than 3 years. To the human body it's like having X amount of car accidents every game - followed by painkillers, shots, therapy, etc. rinse, repeat.

All for your entertainment.

I have no issues with these guys trying to get every single penny they can to live on for the last 40+ years of their lives.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371415)

Anyone else going to be shocked when he signs the week of the 3rd PS game?

(sarcasm)

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371416)

In your case, I'm gonna need definitions of both "special" and "douchebag" please.

LMAO

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371423)

Sadly, I have a slowpitch softball game I have to rush to, but I'll be wearing slide pants, going spikes up into second and cussing at my 2b if he doesn't complete the pivot on the double play ball.

I think that probably says all that needs to be said.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12371423)

Sadly, I have a slowpitch softball game I have to rush to, but I'll be wearing slide pants, going spikes up into second and cussing at my 2b if he doesn't complete the pivot on the double play ball.

I think that probably says all that needs to be said.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371418)

I only used the word "selfish" because King was dancing around the fact that not every player is like that. I personally would just say he's all about the money.

The thing is, not ever player or person is, and I'm one of them. If I'm making millions of dollars to play the game I love the only thing that would matter to me is achieving that ultimate goal.

If he's the leader and person he's been made out to be, I expect a little more. It's all good that he feels that way, but it's dissapointing, and makes me all the more angry that some would cut Charles in a heartbeat, but think Berry deserves more money because his leadership.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371429)

Dude I get it. You're team first rah rah guy. It's easy as hell to be that as a fan looking in from the outside. It's not the same when you're the one putting your livelihood and your body on the line. It's not the same when the team can cut you anytime they feel like it.
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371406)

You have to be a special kind of douchebag to call these guys selfish.

Most of these guys have the education to do one thing: Play ball.

If you're extremely lucky, that happens for more than 3 years. To the human body it's like having X amount of car accidents every game - followed by painkillers, shots, therapy, etc. rinse, repeat.

All for your entertainment.

I have no issues with these guys trying to get every single penny they can to live on for the last 40+ years of their lives.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371415)

Anyone else going to be shocked when he signs the week of the 3rd PS game?

(sarcasm)

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371433)

What ever gave you the impression this guy was the Rah Rah type?

LMAO

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371429)

Dude I get it. You're team first rah rah guy. It's easy as hell to be that as a fan looking in from the outside. It's not the same when you're the one putting your livelihood and your body on the line. It's not the same when the team can cut you anytime they feel like it.
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12371442)

I got the track man in today. I'll let you know how it goes.

Just spent the past weekend in Burlington iowa at spirit hollow stay and play. I highly reccomend.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 12371441)

Right. He's going to sign around the team when the team goes back to KC. We see this happen every year around the league yet people still get their feelings hurt over it. It's amazing.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12371439)

The difference is that Berry's holdout isn't about money. He's guaranteed to earn $10.8 million the second he signs his tender.

Now, if he wants to sit out this year in the hopes that the Chiefs just release him so he can play elsewhere, that's his right. But he won't see a cent of the $10.8 million.

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371452)

Again, I should have gone to dental school.

Ever play The Harvester? Somewhere in Iowa, can't remember.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 12371460)

O. City might be the only person concerned about the holdout going any further than that, and I don't even think he is.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12371087)

"Eric Berry's demands were astronomical"

You guys are ****ing hilarious LMAO

4X pro bowler, 2X first team All-pro and just came off NFL comeback player of the year and you think he's making crazy demands bc he wants to get paid the same $$ that Earl Thomas was paid.

The Chiefs not thinking Berry is worth that much is fine, but if you were Eric you'd do the same damn thing and you know it.

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12371300)

Chiefs should have taken his salary last year.

It's a business after all.


Could they have taken it and rolled it over to this year's cap?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12371465)

Why would I think that?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 12371461)

C'mon, man. You of all people know he's not going to sit out.

He'll sign in W3/W4 of the PS, just like a lot of guys do every year.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12371463)

No, never heard of it. I'll check it out

Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 12370977)

#Bills DL Marcell Dareus is facing a 4-game suspension for violating @NFL policy on substances of abuse, source said (as ESPN reported).

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12371469)

Oh, I know he'll be there at some point but holding out doesn't improve his position with the Chiefs, nor is it leverage, because his salary is set.

I think it's worth noting that out of the 10 guys Franchised this year, he's the only player not to arrive at camp on Day One.