I mean, for ****'s sake, Bolton picked off Patrick Mahomes in his very first practice, and again later that week.

If his hands are sticky like that, we should hopefully similar plays against much lesser talent.

Fenton is not a jag. That dude has major skills.

That’s the thing. Talent wise he IS JAG, but when he’s been on the field, he’s been adequate to good almost every time.

This is an example of why I trust this staff with the DBs.

Safeties for sure. CB's have been good too, but Breeland was a big part of that.

This staff is making chicken salad out of chicken shit pretty consistently. Ward is a plus corner but i often wonder if he would be as good elsewhere.

That would be a first.

If he was as good as people think, he wouldn’t be on his 4th straight 1-year contract

He had a lot of good but he had a lot of bad. That for some reason people dont remember. He was our most penalized player by a big margin if im not mistaken. It's weird how cp hates/under rates ward, but salivates when you mention Breeland. It's like Hammock Parties hate for Dirty Dan.

AJ Green is washed up, Fitzgerald is not on the team and is also washed up.

No, with corners too.

Again, whether it’s Sneed or Fenton filling in for Breeland or whoever, we’ve been fine too.

This staff does a great job with both.

Fitzgerald is a free agent and Green is an old brokedick.

They've been fine. It's not far from fine to bad though, in his theoretical situation.

But for me, corners that are adequate players are all you need. You can't play that physical back there anymore so it's tough to invest that much in it.

Fenton is like you 4th or 5th corner. He’s adequate to good when he’s on the field. I disagree that we’re closer to bad than good, especially with Sneed going into year 2.

If we can just put pressure on qb the d will be in good shape

^This right here^

Breeland showed classic signs last year of age catching up with him. He was getting beat by a step often and getting penalties by grabbing and holding. I loved his physical play and sure tackles but time keeps ticking and wins in the end.

I disagree Ward is a jag. He reminds me a lot of Albert Lewis so smooth it looks like he is not trying. Most of the times he looked badly burned was missed assignments on safety that had responsibilities over the top.

We didn’t last year and the defense was still fine for the most part.

If we’re upper third in sacks, then this will be a truly special team.

Was it ever posted in here that LDT is out 4-6 weeks?

Actually i think i saw it everywhere but here.

Hopefully Hughes doesn’t break his goddamn dick

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1st off, i can't recall a time, ever, when Ward was "picked on". Beat? Sure. Targeted? Of course.

Picked on repeatedly? No. Doesn't happen. You made that up.

Sneed has shown about as much from a rookie CB as i've ever seen. His floor seems to be "good". His Ceiling is looking like it could be All-Pro.

....sigh...i was gonna address the rest of your post but then realized you're pretty much off basis with everything i aint got that kind of time at the moment.

Looking forward to the next positional breakdown of "actually, ACTUALLY, I think we're in trouble!"

Let's go with...kickers! Well if you break down Butker's stats and the fact that he missed so many extra points I really think that could come back to hurt us. Chiefs would be stupid not to have his backup training right now if they want to make the playoffs. Plus regression to the mean would suggest that his health can't hold up for long!


This team is going to the SB. Again.

absolutely they were, with no real WR threat and a statue at QB along with a RB that was neither big, nor fast, but simply smart and followed his blocking while being a good receiver out of the backfield.

This OL can be just as successful, without being as individually good, because of the stress that Mahomes, Hill, Kelce, and CEH will put on defenses. Along with the next tier of Hardman, and the rookie Gray.

We'll never know if this line is truly the equal of that one because this line will never play in front of an immobile, weak armed but intellectually above average QB and below average skill position talent outside of TE. At least, we sincerely hope not or it means we're in injury hell and the season may well be in the tank.

But I would suggest that it's entirely possible that they will be elite, and be elite very quickly barring serious injuries. The talent upside is absolutely there.

Think of it this way-Roaf was the best OT ever to play the game; but Brown may well function as well as Roaf did IN THIS OFFENSE. Would I trade Brown for a 24 year old Willie Roaf? No, but is there necessarily a FUNCTIONAL difference? Or with Thuney and Shields? Maybe there will be, and I'm just projecting my hopes. Probably there's some of that there. But I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility.

It'll always be an apples and oranges comparison, but I think while I'm being optimistic, not wildly so.

yeah, I don't get this narrative. You would think after watching Steven Nelson or Orlando Scandrick ACTUALLY get picked on that Chiefs fans would know what that looks like.

Ward is a perfectly decent #2 CB. He's miscast as a #1, but it would appear that Sneed is a plus CB, so what's the problem? Fenton has looked fine as your #3 and we've got TWO first rounders competing to round out the corps. What the heck is the problem there?

If anything it's better that there isn't one demonstrably weaker corner so they aren't picking on that player in critical situations.

You are being wildly optimistic. I'm trying to be nice but the more you talk, the more horrendously stupid takes slip out. Like the bolded. Wtf is that? Willie Roaf was First-Team All-Pro at 24 and went on to have a HoF career. You are literally the only person on the planet who wouldn't trade Brown for Roaf if given the magical opportunity.

I understand that Mahomes>Green and Tyreek>Eddie Kennison. When you take everything into account, our 2021 offense may be better overall than the one from 2003, but the 2021 OL specifically will be nowhere near as good as the 2003 OL. To suggest otherwise is pure fantasy.

We should make sure we keep this comment nearby for future and frequent reference.

This is full of so much wrong it's difficult to even comment.

I think a lot of people haven't caught up to the new mindset of maintaining a championship team.

you don't MAINTAIN a championship team by going out and signing a bunch of big name, high dollar free agents.

You can do that to GET THERE, but once you're there, you have to make saavy monetary decisions and DEVELOP YOUNG TALENT.

Otherwise, you'll have to tear it all down, deal with cap hell for a season or two, and then rebuild.

If you want to STAY in a championship window, then you're always going to have some young and unproven talent that you need to play well to compliment your stars in their prime.

We're totally in the best place to be, and I would not trade this roster for any other in the NFL. We're RE-STOCKING on the fly.

yeah, we have some spots where we need the youngsters to pan out, but so do the other 31 teams. I'll trust Veach and this coaching staff, thank you very much.

You misunderstand entirely what I meant. I didn't type that very clearly.
I said 'trade' when I meant 'take'
I would not take Brown over Roaf.

I've already said Roaf was the best I ever saw.

I thought Breeland was going to single handedly lose a couple games for us last year. When he was off he was waaaay off.

Phenomenally well said.

This isn’t stars and scrubs. It’s stars and cheap talent acquired with smart use of draft capital.

I think thats why we havent seen a honey badger new contract. If Key or Thornhill step up, they can give Clark's and more money to Hill and Brown in the off season.

I think that was Mr. Meck’s overall point

As I said, I would not take Brown over Roaf.

What I mean is that in functional terms, due to the talent level surrounding this offensive line, it may well function as well as the Vermeil era line.

I mean, Brown is a two time pro bowler at two positions and is 24. If he's great, then what functional difference does Roaf being GREATER make? At what point does it just not matter?

And with Mahomes behind them instead of Trent Green, does the difference in individual talents matter in real, functional terms? How would we even be able to measure it?

It may well not.

I expect Brown to be an all-pro, and Thuney too in 2021 barring injury.

and I fully expect the 2021 offense to be more prolific than the 2003 offense, absolutely.

You may well be right.

Haha yep, 20th or even lower?

Couldn’t believe I read that… some severe underestimating going on there

If we had two DE's that were very real threats to get double digit sacks, and one DT with 6 sacks and one space eater, nobody would be saying our D-line was in trouble.

Yet we have Jones and Reed, both of whom are legit threats to hit 10 each, and a DE that had 6 last year. And we're in huge trouble.

Reed isn't getting 10 sacks.

why not?

he had 10.5 in 2018.

He's done it before.

So if the only knock on Brown is that he is routinely running guys around the back of the pocket, that ain't all bad and sure beats what we saw in the SB.

Mahomes can certainly move around and step up in the pocket. But it's a little worrisome if there are routinely defenders coming around back from the blind side. And even if they've looked good so far, it looks like KC will be counting on a rookie center and guard to keep the pocket from getting pushed in.

A part of me also took perverse pleasure in seeing Mahomes throw off his back foot while back pedaling 8 yards deep for a perfect strike down field. Ah, the good/bad old days of yore.

He's not done it since, I don't think his trajectory is upwards. Think I'm far less excited by him than most though so fair enough. He's been v good before with worse coaching so hopefully he'll get back to that level. Honestly most excited by seeing Wharton and Saunders develop and what Danna can do.

He also just had 6.5 last year.

It’s entirely possible that he falls somewhere in between, and I wouldn’t be shocked to see a couple guys like Danna and Charlton combine for 5-6 at all.

How many dudes on our D-line are going to have career years? ROFL

I'll say this, if Jones and Reed both do, you can hand us that Lombardi.

Totally.

Notice I said 'threat' to hit double digit sacks.

I think having done it before qualifies. I'd bet 8 or so. And I agree that Danna and Charlton should combine for 5-6. I think Wharton should pick up a few too. And we know they like Danna and Ward as well.

I think we're going to be improved in the pass rush.

Charlton is a solid performer if he stays on the field...

I don't think we need that to get handed the Lombardi.

But I think having added a real threat at DT to what we already had is going to create more opportunities for all. I mean, it's a 25% upgrade.

I get the concerns about his health, and I share them, but his pressure rate was very good last year.

As long as he’s healthy, he’s a damn good rotational piece, as is Danna.

I think the group is better than people give it credit for.

Reed played a lot of last season as the only threat on that DL. They eventually added Dunlap, but I think it’s safe to say that he will benefit from playing with Jones and Clark.

Reed is in a contract year and will give us his (A) game. That is a plus for the Chiefs.

I would think Reed's sacks would come more from opportunity than design, if you get my meaning.

And Nadi. We got some run stuffers now. If Jones can play the run at the DE position our interior just got magnitudes better. Whatever the reason, be it taking himself out of position of just getting knocked off the ball, Jones was a bit of a liability inside against the run.

The defense should be very good and very deep provided 2 things, Clark gets more pressure on the QB and Jones can set the edge at DE against the run.

The 2 biggest ? on our DL are ironically our alleged 2 best players on the DL.

Clarks job should be easier with with both Reed and Jones on the line. You can’t double team everyone. That’s not counting Taco who could be one of our better pass rushers if he can stay healthy. And obviously our DT’s who need double teamed from size alone.

I’m kind of okay with more of a pressuring defense than a sacking one too. We have the secondary guys who can take advantage of ill-advised throws made under pressure. I’d rather that than the old get a sack on first or second down and then let them convert on third and 15 defense.

There is pressuring and pressuring with the down 4. We need the down 4 to consistently get pressure and not have to send Sneed off the corner just to get a sack.

Going back to the guy comparing the OL to one of the greatest OL’s of all time, obviously that’s tough to match to make, but on paper it’s probably the closest we’ve come since. LT and LG are proven, but never in this system. C, RG, and RT have never played an NFL snap.

The potential to be great is there though, how quickly they reach it, if they ever do is another question.

Stating the obvious here but with Long and LDT hurt it's smooth sailing for Trey Smith to start week 1.

And Niang. He might have been the original swing tackle, but hopefully there’s no reason for him to swing to LT.

I cannot wait to watch Trey Smith play.

Agreed. I really think he will be the stud we all think he will. He's an elite guard who would have gone in the 2nd round (because guards don't go in the first very often) due to health concerns. If he doesn't have those issues he will dominate and easily outplay his draft position.

Giving away those day three picks for "flier" players is no longer a no-brainer. Brett Veach turning coal into diamonds! It's truly remarkable. Our front office is the envy of the league.

I'm still confused why a team wouldn't use a late 5th on Trey Smith...even with his health condition.

It seems like the payoff would have been worth the risk...which really wasn't much.

Then the Chiefs get praised for taking him...like he's a steal and no other team knew about him.

It was fortuitous he was still there...but what about all teams in the 6th that passed on him? That was a weird situation...

NFL saw what happened in the Superbowl and rigged the draft for us.

It's the least they could do...

What do you think the cap increase will be...now that the NFL is getting a cut of gambling revenue?

Because they put too much value on a pick. To them a fifth round pick holds more value than what they could have gotten with it, which in this case is Smith.

All that said now that we know how good he is it would really suck if the clots came back.

I don’t think this is the case. Teams completely remove players from their draft boards if they don’t think the medical checks out. They weren’t staring at him as the “Mel Kipers top 5 available” when they were picking in the late rounds. He just wasn’t in their boards.

I do wonder how many scouts and personnel guys said ‘oh ****kkkk’ when the Chiefs turned that card in though. Or.. “we forgot about him!”

COVID had something to do with it. It was reported getting medical information was particularly difficult during the draft evaluations due to the pandemic. Many teams wrote off guys like Trey Smith because of it.

Brett Veach and the medical staff dove extra deep on Trey Smith. The Chiefs training staff came up with a plan to manage Smith's medical situation and felt comfortable to proceed. They also loved his interviews.

It's the least they could do after rigging the first quarter of the Superbowl for Tom Brady with a bunch of phantom PI calls.

Plus the 6th round pick is when Veach goes "**** it let's give him a look"

Teams get way caught up in guys being role players etc and don't want to "waste picks" I guarantee you I could find a good number of GMs that think the 3rd day is about finding guys to play specials and situation players. Then they'd tell you a bunch of swing and misses going for home runs leaves you with no depth etc.

LMAO

I can't believe a cheer wasn't let out that Keizer won't be back.

dig deeper my friend :D

Smith is gonna be an all pro this year and he may even be the best player out of this draft overall. He will be better than Will Shields.

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You watch your ****ing mouth...

That's exactly what happened to the 1972 Chiefs. Take a look at the ages of the starters. Most of the studs from the SB IV team were in their 30s. Steadman stood pat instead of drafting smart.

Let's temper the enthusiasm a little. He's looked good so far in TC, but to already call him an All Pro and better than Shields is a little bold this early.

My gosh that was slick as snot... superb!

That is good stuff from Trey Smith. He looks like the real deal.