Tyrell's held that last. He took over their spot in the scheme of things.

Bran might have been able to see that Dany would get jumped and probably shrugged it off like "eh, those things shouldn't be able to penetrate dragonscale, it would have to be a precision shot in the eye, very low chance of that happening" But then the writers decided that the dragonscale was easy to penetrate.

Arya was probably my biggest disappointment of the season. Yeah, she Jordan Kiss The Rim dunked on the NK from the 3 pt arch, which is obviously a big deal, but the Kill Cersei, kill the queen, stay out of my way, yadda yadda stuff only to get the "you don't want to be like me, kid" verbal noogie from The Hound and the character went limp.

We all are.

For several years the rules of the Three Eyed Raven seemed pretty cut and dry. They can view the past and warg in the present but by any account they could not fundamentally alter the past (at least not intentionally; even the Hodor example doesn't really work because Bran becoming the 3 eyed raven didn't will it into existence; it had already occurred well before then) and damn sure couldn't see the future; not in the same sense they can the past anyway.

Yet here we are, with that silly "why do you think I came" line, a complete throwaway, seemingly tossing that whole equation into flux.

Jojen is an interesting comparison because Jojen (being a greenseer) doesn't really have control over what he sees - he's more of a prophecy conduit. Bran's ability to 'see' the future is the same. He had a few vague prophecies (the drowned bodies at Winterfell, the dragon over KL), but we can't really point to anything concrete.

Because seeing old nan 'drown' in a dream is clearly different from what he was able to do with the Three Eyed Raven where he could essentially drop himself any place in history and view it as though he was there. I don't think that's something he can do with the future.

But again - stupid line tossed in there with little regard as to where it fell in the universe of the story and its impact on same. Why? Because I'm pretty sure Benioff and Weiss care less about this series than its more ardent fans do at this point and they thought the line was clever so they used it.

Has to be Jon for me.

I can understand wanting to steer clear of the hero trope, but I wanted more for him.

Right. It just makes literally zero sense.

He should have been the master of arms or the crown's army's official general or some shit. He's just not qualified to stand in as a nation's accountant lol

The night king was the protagonist the entire time. That took guts for the writers to kill off the main hero mid season.

It's not even the hero trope that bothers me. It's that they turned him into a sad puppy who just followed Dany around unconditionally.

I think he got exactly what he wanted.

I just hoped for a better path to get there than the seemingly broken husk ready to wander the forest.

I'm serious - literally the only thing they needed to do with him was simply have him own his actions and stand behind them. Then 'give up his crown to save his people' as Sam had said in the crypts.

It would've been a perfect outcome for him and for some very strange reason, they dodged it.

I really think the answer is somewhere buried in a message GRRM is trying to send in the story but I'm not sure what the message is. It almost has to have something to do with love and it's impact on people - a theme that is EVERYWHERE throughout this story when you start to look for it - but I haven't been able to suss it out yet or figure out why that message would be diminished through having him leave on his own terms.

Is Martin such a dour sonofabitch that he wants us to believe that ultimately love destroys anyone it infects? Cersei, Jaime, Grey Worm, Jon, Dany, Brienne, even Tyrion (with Shay and his family) -- all of them have situations where we can say that love fundamentally weakened or destroyed them. Did we need to rub salt in the wound by having it wreck Jon as well? Seems like the show thinks so. And what about Stannis - who chose duty (in his eyes) over love and STILL lost everything?

Or was it just a poor adaptation of Martin's outline from a couple of shoddy storytellers? Seems a simpler solution...

Because theoretically he's gonna be the richest guy in the country now that Casterly Rock is out of gold; Highgarden will still have the agricultural wealth. So the theory would be that you're gonna need him giving you a lot of money, so why not task him with finding a lot of money?

I dunno...I agree that it's odd (given that Littlefinger was previous master of coin and had no land/title to speak of), but it's the best I've got.

Still waiting on why the Maester took Tryion out of the book Sam helped write.

Hah! That's another one! Totally forgot.

You ****ing CANNOT tell this story without Tyrion. He was Hand of the King to Joffrey, Hand of the Queen to Daenerys, Hand of the King to Bran and killed the most powerful man in Westeros in Tywin. Not to mention his abduction is what kicked off the War of the Five Kings.

I finally realized where I've seen this character before:


https://media.salon.com/2013/09/walt_junior.jpg

That's completely unfair to Bran.

Bran was forgettable.

I wanted to see Walter Jr. killed week in, week out. "Man, maybe they'll finally get him this time...."

Ugh, just an awful, awful character and the series deserves to take more shit than it does because of him. He's as bad as Jar Jar and the Sand Snakes.

This is a fair point. I can admit that, for me, my disappointment is entirely personal. I wouldn't even argue that where they ended up with his story was bad; it's just not what I wanted.

I think I had just fallen into believing that he was the rightful king. He never wanted to be Lord Commander but did so anyway out of necessity. He never wanted to be King in the North but did so out of necessity.. I guess I had convinced myself something similar would happen with the Iron Throne.