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Titty Meat 03-04-2022 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16175261)
The problem was that we could always find at least three guys to go play some form of football.

Baseball takes at least 5 or 6 along with a bucket of baseballs and a damn big open space.

The logistics were just a lot tougher

Man we had a group of 8-10 every night and a giant back yard. I had more fun playing backyard baseball than high school sports tbh

BigRedChief 03-05-2022 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16172835)
I have a hard time backing the MLBPA. They have fully guaranteed contracts and basically no salary cap. The CBT is the flimsiest version of a salary cap you can have and even if it was more of a deterrent to keep teams from spending, it's still millions of dollars more than the NFL salary cap.

Raising the CBT doesn't do much for the average player, but putting an actual salary cap with a floor forces teams to spend more.

Say the floor was $120 million last year. 13 teams would have been under that number.

These are the teams and how far under they are

COL $4 mil
MIL $21 mil
TEX $25 mil
KC $29 mil
ARI $29 mil
OAK $30 mil
DET $34 mil
SEA $37 mil
TB $50 mil
MIA $62 mil
PIT $66 mil
CLE $70 mil
BAL $78 mil

I see the owners had proposed a $100 mil floor and $180 mil CBT. If the MLBPA countered with $120 mil floor and $180 mil CBT, then MLB might agree.

Last year only 8 teams would have been over the $180 mil

LAD $86 mil
NYY $25 mil
NYM $21 mil
PHI $17 mil
HOU $14 mil
BOS $7 mil
LAA $349k

Teams that didn't meet the floor the total is $535 million
If the floor were $100 million then the total would be $275 million

Teams over CBT total is $170.349 million

That's between $105 million and $365 million more for the players.
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I'm not sure what the big pushback is from the players is.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16172866)
Nothing more than a mindless dogmatic refusal being pushed primarily by a few superstars and powerful agents.

Again - it’s amazing that suddenly a union is ARGUING for trickle down economic theory.

A salary cap would be way way better for the average player. Also those barely making the roster. Thats the majority of players. They play on that hope, one day you will get your own $100 million contract too,

The MLB should follow the recent NFL deal. Make it a great deal for those players. They get big raises. They are the majority. Get them to vote.

DJ's left nut 03-05-2022 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16175642)
Man we had a group of 8-10 every night and a giant back yard. I had more fun playing backyard baseball than high school sports tbh

My favorite sports to play as a kid was rollerhockey in the parking lot of the neighborhood pool.

Man that was a blast. And invariably the game would end when things started getting heated. You're not really supposed to be checking guys (there's no boards, afterall) but somebody would be trying to get down the side of the 'rink' and he'd get hip checked over the curb into a fence and all hell would break loose.

I could snap the hell out of that little ball, man.

Ocotillo 03-07-2022 08:43 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: MLB, MLBPA lawyers met today, planning to meet again tomorrow. MLB has suggested Tuesday as deadline, in its eyes, for 3 things: play 162 games, and for players to get full pay &amp; full service time. But, pay/service/sked can’t be unilaterally chosen—needs to be negotiated</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1501011100178997248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MLB has told the Players Association it expects to cancel another week of games without a deal reached tomorrow, sources tell me and <a href="https://twitter.com/kenrosenthal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KenRosenthal</a>.</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1501018033921343489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

dlphg9 03-08-2022 08:58 PM

Newest proposal from the MLB should be enough to get this done.

On service time, with @Ken_Rosenthal:

• A team that brings up a player for Opening Day can net 3 draft picks over time, one pick per year, if that player does well in voting


That's kinda interesting.

BigRedChief 03-08-2022 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16181202)
Newest proposal from the MLB should be enough to get this done.

On service time, with @Ken_Rosenthal:

• A team that brings up a player for Opening Day can net 3 draft picks over time, one pick per year, if that player does well in voting


That's kinda interesting.

what does that mean? Voting for what? Player of the year? All-Star game?

This is why they are not playing? Again only the elite of the elite get this treatment to be called up later to get another year of service. Maybe effects 1 player a year.

All the other shit going the players way like no salary cap and they are still not playing over 1 player out of hundreds getting another year of service time before they get $100+ million guaranteed contract handed to them by another team.

ChiefsCountry 03-08-2022 10:12 PM

https://www.outkick.com/so-called-in...ts-they-serve/

You know coverage of the MLB lockout is slanted toward the players when an agent is offering praise.

And not just any agent. We’re talking about super agent Scott Boras, who told The Washington Post that coverage of the lockout is “the most accurate coverage, factually, of any labor negotiation I’ve been involved in.’”

Boras has been a big pain in the backside for MLB team owners and executives for decades. He has played a major role in inflated salaries and player movement. He’s rich and comes across as incredibly slimy.

So if he’s happy, well, you can only guess how remarkably favorable coverage of the lockout has been for the players.

Of course, this isn’t just limited to baseball. Insiders in all sports have sold their souls to agents in their desperate quest for Twitter scoops.

Actually, a lot of national sports writers today are represented by the same agencies that represent the players. For instance, ESPN NBA reporter Adrian Wojnarowski is represented by CAA, which lists some of the league’s best and brightest among its clients.

So when an agent says, “jump,” national insiders often ask, “how high?”

As a result, sports writers are no longer actual writers with opinions. At least, not their own opinions. Instead, they walk on eggshells, treading lightly so as to not offend their “sources,” which are always “agents.”

This isn’t to say team owners are right and players are wrong. This isn’t taking any sort of side. But that’s what the sports media is supposed to do. Try to be fair, then form opinions on fairness.

That’s not what many of today’s so-called insiders are doing. They’re just playing a game of trying to one-up the other in kissing agents’ butts.

The result has been vanilla stories, written with no soul or personal opinions, and quite frankly, unreliable coverage. The agents have dived head first into the sportswriting world, and now your sports stories are brought to you almost entirely by them.

dlphg9 03-08-2022 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16181352)
what does that mean? Voting for what? Player of the year? All-Star game?

This is why they are not playing? Again only the elite of the elite get this treatment to be called up later to get another year of service. Maybe effects 1 player a year.

All the other shit going the players way like no salary cap and they are still not playing over 1 player out of hundreds getting another year of service time before they get $100+ million guaranteed contract handed to them by another team.

No this isn't holding up the game. I just found it interesting.

tk13 03-09-2022 12:03 AM

Looks like there's still a shot.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: MLB officials are reviewing latest MLBPA counteroffer, with the possibility of a CBA deal before daybreak still alive. <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBNetwork</a></p>&mdash; Jon Morosi (@jonmorosi) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1501428192124485633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 02:00 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As we cross the 2:30 a.m. mark, baseball bargaining has now hit its latest point in this round of talks. The sides started in the 10 o’clock hour Tuesday, so they’re in Hour 17. MLB and the MLBPA are still working. Issues remain.</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1501461907060015104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BWillie 03-09-2022 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 16181555)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As we cross the 2:30 a.m. mark, baseball bargaining has now hit its latest point in this round of talks. The sides started in the 10 o’clock hour Tuesday, so they’re in Hour 17. MLB and the MLBPA are still working. Issues remain.</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1501461907060015104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I just want to see MJ Melendez hit it over the fence and Aldaberto Mondesi injure his oblique. Is that too much to ask?

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 02:27 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So, sleep well, the bargaining has ended for tonight, there is no deal yet, and we will see you in the morning - 30 -</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1501471185388900354?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

dallaschiefsfan 03-09-2022 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16181371)
https://www.outkick.com/so-called-in...ts-they-serve/

You know coverage of the MLB lockout is slanted toward the players when an agent is offering praise.

And not just any agent. We’re talking about super agent Scott Boras, who told The Washington Post that coverage of the lockout is “the most accurate coverage, factually, of any labor negotiation I’ve been involved in.’”

Boras has been a big pain in the backside for MLB team owners and executives for decades. He has played a major role in inflated salaries and player movement. He’s rich and comes across as incredibly slimy.

So if he’s happy, well, you can only guess how remarkably favorable coverage of the lockout has been for the players.

Of course, this isn’t just limited to baseball. Insiders in all sports have sold their souls to agents in their desperate quest for Twitter scoops.

Actually, a lot of national sports writers today are represented by the same agencies that represent the players. For instance, ESPN NBA reporter Adrian Wojnarowski is represented by CAA, which lists some of the league’s best and brightest among its clients.

So when an agent says, “jump,” national insiders often ask, “how high?”

As a result, sports writers are no longer actual writers with opinions. At least, not their own opinions. Instead, they walk on eggshells, treading lightly so as to not offend their “sources,” which are always “agents.”

This isn’t to say team owners are right and players are wrong. This isn’t taking any sort of side. But that’s what the sports media is supposed to do. Try to be fair, then form opinions on fairness.

That’s not what many of today’s so-called insiders are doing. They’re just playing a game of trying to one-up the other in kissing agents’ butts.

The result has been vanilla stories, written with no soul or personal opinions, and quite frankly, unreliable coverage. The agents have dived head first into the sportswriting world, and now your sports stories are brought to you almost entirely by them.

Indeed! There is major butt-hurt from the sports media for the owners. Outside of garden variety class-warfare, I'm unsure why. This whole idea that "players are the sport" is stupid. No owners...no organization or investment capital. No fans...no demand. No players...no product. Each of those statements are true. The difference is that nobody has ever really worked for the customer...the fans - specifically the fans of teams with smaller local TV contracts. I want the chance for generational talents to stay in KC if you draft and develop said-player. Nothing about the players or owners proposals in this negotiation works towards making that a reality.

BigRedChief 03-09-2022 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 16181584)
I want the chance for generational talents to stay in KC if you draft and develop said-player. Nothing about the players or owners proposals in this negotiation works towards making that a reality.

Salary cap and floor is the ticket. But, it aint happening without shutting down baseball for over a year or bringing in AAA replacement players, if they will play. It's a pipe dream. :(

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 11:09 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEW YORK — The most significant issue remaining in talks, although not the only, is said to be direct draft pick compensation, the elimination of the qualifying offer. The players want it, MLB has proposed it — but MLB wants the international draft, which is no small matter/give.</p>&mdash; Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) <a href="https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1501597583579525122?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The international draft appears to be the last big remaining obstacle to reach a labor deal today. MLB badly seeks it, and will eliminate all qualifying offers for free agents in return. The union still is opposed as it receives input from players, former players and agents.</p>&mdash; Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) <a href="https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1501579226063028228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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