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Brett Veach hopes Chris Jones can play next week; increased talks last 2 days (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=349994)

I really hope he holds out until week 8. Not even joking. Would be nice to tag him so cheaply next year. Then we could trade him easier or just make him play on the tag in Kelce 35-year old season

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17084455)

This isn’t how it works. Average annual value is the average over the entire life of the years on the contract - you can’t just pick and choose a couple of them.

That’s what I thought. I was thinking “make this make sense”

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17084399)

Florio is reporting we offered a 3 year 74 million dollar deal with 70 million being guaranteed, not even close to what Donald got on his 3 year deal. Florio is also reporting that Jones would take an 84.5 mil deal if he were offered that.

I guess Florio is talking directly with Jones or one of the Katz brothers, because that is very specific reporting.

Someone with superior twitter skills will have to post the link. I saw all that off Dov Kleiman's tweet.

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https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...t-aaron-donald

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">𝐑𝐞𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> offered star DT Chris Jones to replace the $19.5 million he's due to earn in 2023 with $74 million over the next three years, per Mike Florio.<br><br>According to the report, of that amount, $70 million would be guaranteed for injury, with a lower amount fully… <a href="https://t.co/TVtHuDa5xP">https://t.co/TVtHuDa5xP</a> <a href="https://t.co/B3fFNjfVRw">pic.twitter.com/B3fFNjfVRw</a></p>— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1697988918619042170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

It’s hard to argue against what the Chiefs are doing. Just because a team shattered the market doesn’t mean we have to follow suit.

Their strategy has won two Super Bowls recently.

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17084399)

Soooo Veach offered exactly what the market said he should, $24.66M average salary. I’m actually surprised that Veach basically guaranteed the entire $74M with the $70M guaranteed!

Williams only $66M guaranteed over 4 years, Simmons $59M over 4 years. Hell even Donald’s 3 year $95M only came $65M guaranteed.

Veach is being more than reasonable IMO. Top DT money besides AD and the most guaranteed amount over all DTs.

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER (Post 17084416)

He already has $2M in fines that can’t be waived from missing training camp.

Exactly. How many is he planning on missing. The math stops making sense pretty quickly.

So it's effectively a 2 year extension, but guaranteed most of it.

Ooh. Missed where Jones would take 84.5. Honestly, meet in the middle at 80 and let's be friends again.

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17084487)

Ooh. Missed where Jones would take 84.5. Honestly, meet in the middle at 80 and let's be friends again.

Why? Maybe even rescind offer and lower it hoping to god he sits out until game 8 saving the Chiefs upwards of 20M dollars while still getting him for the important part of the season.

I dont really care if we have Chris Jones after the 2024-2025 season. Kelce will be 36 years old then.

Why has this gotten so ugly? They're at a point where compromise shouldn't be that big a deal, and both parties really aren't being unreasonable at all. Jones at about 28 million through the 2025 season is a BIT rich, but he should still be playing even at a borderline elite level, if not DPOY caliber. I figured he'd be asking for more years which would actually make it really tough, but that's not the case at all.

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17084486)

So it's effectively a 2 year extension, but guaranteed most of it.

Also getting a fair bit more than Williams, Simmons and Payne in the next 3 years.

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17084494)

Also getting a fair bit more than Williams, Simmons and Payne in the next 3 years.

Right. But I can think of plenty of worse ways to use cap than overpaying Jones by maybe 3 million a year. Especially if it's contained to only 3 years.

Chiefs offered market, no reason to come off it.

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Originally Posted by warpaint* (Post 17084499)

Chiefs offered market, no reason to come off it.

If his agents are being obstinate jackasses, then yep. Just a shame they wouldn't talk so we could find a compromise that both sides could live with.

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17084498)

Right. But I can think of plenty of worse ways to use cap than overpaying Jones by maybe 3 million a year. Especially if it's contained to only 3 years.

I’m worried if Veach does indeed overpay what the market says, $24.5-$25M, other agents will point to this when their player comes up for a contract.

I really think Veach is trying to give Jones everything he can to the limit of coming across as overpaying. He offers top DT market money at $24.66M and to try to get it done offers to make most of it guaranteed for him which other DT contracts don’t have.