You've never heard of Marvin Austin, the DT out of North Carolina?

Ware will have more sacks than Justin Houston and Dee Ford combined this year. Why would Ware get hurt? He has been extremely durable throughout his career missing only 4 games in 9 years.

Knowmo's Homer Thread
 

He's played through nagging injuries for a while now. If he experienced some freak injury for this one time in his career, the Cowboys would have kept him.

Uh... ok. Von has more sacks, more tackles, more forced fumbles, and more interceptions despite playing in fewer games than Quinn.

Von ain't shit when he's not all hopped up on some designer PED.

A while now? Like a year ago, when he had 11.5 sacks, or the year before that, when he had 19.5?

Marijuana is likely the least effective PED possible. Well, maybe horse tranquilizers would be worse.

More arrests as well.

Quinn was the third DE in St. Louis his rookie season.

Edit: Miller has 1 INT and and a .5 sack more than Quinn. I'm just trying to see how KnowMo would respond. I don't think an individual player is better than an entire defensive unit.

So he's been playing through injuries for the past 2 seasons? The average NFL career last something like 3 years. I think some would consider 2 years "quite some time".

Yeah, that's my point. If he has 11.5 sacks this season, hampered by injury or not, that's a pretty good season, and a definite upgrade over Shaun Phillips.

I totally get your skepticism, I'd be the same if I were you. For my part though I'm curious to see if Denver's moves on D work, if the new guys can gel.

Ah, I see now.

I never said he wasn't still good. He's hardly the sack master he was in his prime like your boy KnowMo likes to believe.

I actually wouldn't doubt his sack numbers will rise dramatically this season. He'll have significantly more obvious passing downs in order to do so.

I see you have been paying attention to his steady decline:

2011- 19.5 sacks

2012- 11.5 sacks

2013- 6 sacks

2014- 3 sacks?

LMAO

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Ware getting more sacks than Houston this year? Lololololololololol

Broncos should be better this year, but I think the Chiefs can most definitely compete and beat them. This team owned them for over 2 quarters at home before Lewis and Demps shit down their legs, which cost us in the playoffs as well.

I think even solid safety play from us will help so much against the
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We need a RustShack homer thread to dump all his annoying posts from the NBA thread in.

The Chiefs would have to play a perfect game to beat Denver and that might not even be enough because I don't see how you guys will be able to move the ball against our defense.

Your defense is comprised of FA's who are not yet gelled as a team and are, to this hour, untested.

Slow your roll, padawan.

Until Bob Sutton gets over his fear of Manning their isnt a damn thing this Chiefs team can do to beat the Broncos...

Sutton shits down his legs at the sight of Manning....

The only hope you have for the opposite is Ware being limited by injury. Houston had 11 sacks last year. Other than his injury limited 2013, Ware hasn't had fewer than 11 since his rookie season in 2005.

Your D is shit and you know it

Yeah I know it... Its part of being a Chiefs fan...

You aren't a Chiefs fan clown bird boy

One is ascending....The other headed to the retirement home that pile high has become. You really are not that dumb are ya?

Why cause I dont have a mullet and a full set of teeth?

The retirement home where older players set huge all-time NFL records? Ok.

No the one where they shit themselves epically on the biggest stage...then sign a grandpa a thug and a gimp

Houston was hurt last year. He would have easily had 15 last year

Houston missed games due to injury last year and still had 11 sacks. He's much younger than Ware and is an ascending player playing for his first big contract. How is this hard for you to understand you ****ing reerun?

These are the same morons that claim that piece of shit Dude I ate a nacho is an all pro guy. Damn that dude sucks.

Honestly I don't think the Broncos D is as great as their fans are making it out to be. Adding descending/hurt players like Talib and Ware only leave question marks.

Is ware what he used to be? Can he play in the 4-3 without adjusting? Is Talib ever gonna stay healthy?

7 of Houston's sacks came in two games against rookie RT's, in the other 9 games played before being injured he had 3 sacks. Seems to me Houston feasts on scrubs and disappears against better competition.

Homers on both sides of this fence are ****ing reeruned.

This is true.

LMAO A lot of anger over the subject?

If you can find any post of mine that even suggests such a thing, I'd be stunned.

There is some truth to this. Houston gets his sacks in bunches, Ware is much more steady against all competition.

Houston has gotten to the QB at least once in 36% of the games he has played.

Ware has gotten to the QB at least once in 71% of the games he has played.

Jamaal Charles.

Interestingly, the same sort of situation exists with Von and Hali, but not as severe.

Von gets to the QB at least once in 65% of his games.

Hali gets to the QB at least once in 50% of his games.

This can be such a flawed stat.

Houston struggled in his first 8 games, but since then he's gotten as many sacks as games in that timespan.

Is the average overall helping Ware from his success before 2013? Ware isn't that same guy he was 3 years ago. Not saying he still can't be good though.

Okay... deleting Houston's first 8 games, and only taking Ware's last 2 seasons into account like you want...

Ware still beats Houston 52% to 44%.

MagicHef...king of the useless stat. Watch the ****ing games. One's ascending the other a brokedick shell.

Houston came into his own last year and in the same amount of games (13) as Ware last year he had twice the amount of sacks, 1 more QB hit and 11 more pressures.

I'm taking Houston right now until I see Ware prove he's what he used to be.

I don't see how anyone would take Ware over Houston right now. One is getting into his prime and has been getting better every year while the other is the complete opposite...past his prime, hurting and declining in production.

It's Hefmo. ****ing buffoons.

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I will not stop till this thread is dead and buried once again. This ****er is like the offspring of Jason and Chucky. We all know Bronco fans are the seeds of buttsex, but this little turd is a special kind...

Houston played his games healthy, and sat out with his elbow injury. Ware had his elbow injury all season long, and played through it. If he's injured again, it will hamper his play... which is why I referenced injuries in my first post on the subject.

Do you ever add anything meaningful to the discussion?

Nothing meaningful is in this thread PERIOD for ****'s sake it's a circle jerk between you and your lil buddy.

Hef is the king of the random, useless stat and, honestly, defends his Bronco butt buddies just as adamantly as KnowMo, but he's FAR more tolerable than that little shit stain.

I mean, "Richard Sherman and Aqib Talib are a wash"? That is a special kind of stupid right there.

I don't see how Houston getting sacks in bunches rather than consistently is random or useless, since it pertains directly to the discussion and is a concern frequently brought up about passrushers.

I think you guys just don't like what it suggests.

It means you are a dumb homer that won't acknowledge the difference between an ascending and descending player. You just don't like what that suggests.

Because guys like Reggie White, Kevin Greene, and DT never did the exact same thing...

Pretty funny that Hef doesn't account for teams like the Broncos and Bills purposely getting the ball very quickly bc of this pass rush.
Last year teams knew we had a good pass rush and that was their plan.

Dude doesn't even watch the games

1/3 of Ware's sacks last year came from an injured rookie RT in KC.

Another 1/3 of Ware's sacks last year came against a weak STL RT who I don't even know of.

So 4 of Ware's 6 sacks were against poor RT's last year. This is too easy.

It's not useless but also not the end-all-be-all. Not that I care to even argue about it, but sacks are only a small part of the impact a rush backer has on the game. It doesn't carry as much weight to only look at the sacks when there are hurries and pressures to account for that have just as large an impact as recording an actual sack.

The latest Super Bowl highlighted this very well. Peyton only got sacked once the entire game, I believe, but the pressure and QB hits were what really caused huge problems for your offense. Also, I don't even think Tamba finished the season in the top 10 as far as sacks are concerned, but PFF had him something like #1 or 2 in total sacks, QB hits and pressures.

Once again, I don't give two shits about this specific argument you guys are having so there's no need for you to run off and calculate all total sacks, hits and pressures like I'm sure you're likely already starting to do before finishing this post, but you can use stats to paint whatever kind of picture you'd like.

To go further in depth, Houston got 17 total pressures in the 4.5 games he played without getting a sack (he got hurt in the 2nd Q vs SD).
so 17 pressures in 18Q's without a sack...that's basically a pressure every quarter.

I'd bet it was more than that...

Here you go. Percent of games with at least half a sack:

Von: 65%
Ware: 61%
White: 56%
Allen: 56%
Aldon Smith: 55%
DT: 50%
Greene: 48%
Hali: 44%
Peppers: 43%
Houston: 36%

(You may notice that Ware and Hali's numbers changed, I realized that the first source I used for # of games only included games in which they recorded some type of stat, I've changed that to include all games they've appeared in.)

So even if this was the end of the argument Hali and Houston are near HOF level sack producers?...

The lowest HOFer on there is DT. 50% vs 36% is a pretty huge difference.

What a coincidence... :)

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Too bad he's missed so many games because he's a crack head !

It's good to see you rounding into form for this year. Pre season isn't just for the players...

Yes, Von has missed more games than most, and this should be taken into account. I took the opportunity to compare passrushers in:

Ability (sacks/game)
Consistency (% of games with at least one sack)
Availability (% of games played while on team)

Multiplying the scores together results in:

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Availability really brings Von down. He'd be #1 without it.

Stats are useless for Von and Ware right now. Nobody knows how they will be with their injuries and age in Ware's case. They both weren't that great last year.

Eric Fisher even got the best of Von last year.

Ware looked really frickin' good last night. He was in the backfield on Every. Single. Play.

You are full of shot homer

Yeah but factor in Seattle played only one starting o lineman. Still, I'm glad to have him.

And just when I thought the tumor was removed.

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Should be an interesting year. It's Denver's division. KC will take a step back this due to the brutal schedule. But Denver's is tough also especially with a bye week in week 4. They'll be worn out playoff time

Denver doesn't have a cupcake schedule this year, either. Like you said, it's good for everyone else that the Donks have their bye so early.

Having the bye so early sucks but it isn't that big of a deal, we'll get our third straight first round bye again this year so it doesn't matter.

The only team that's going to be worn out come playoff time is the opposing team's defense going against our no huddle offense.

That's not what he said.


He said ware gets more sacks than Houston AND ford.
Combined.
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Ya because Seattle was soooo worn out huh? LMAO