I prefer the style that calls penalties as penalties, yes.

If I had a way to get it I’d try, but I was screaming at the tv as it happens. If anyone has the game recorded slow it down when Mahomes is on the sideline you can read his lips about the offsides….

Even still Toney is a god damn moron for lining up offsides.

I’d cut him on Monday morning I’d pick up a wide receiver off of waivers before I suit him up again

That was a nearly flawless game by Patrick. He was pissed early on after the MVS route ****up. It just simmered and he harnessed the anger perfectly. It bubbled over at the end unfortunately. It’s the first emotion I’ve seen him show. Honestly I feel better about this team than I did after last weeks loss.

I would argue that veach along with a lot of taking heads tought that tony could be the number one. And he drafted a good young WR. You would think that could easily replace juju. It didn't work. Happens.

Called that ticky tack shit and then looked the other way at a blatant jump by Buffalo. Cheffers strikes again.

Mahomes wasn't good enough. The next to last drive especially. They had a chance to grab the game by the balls and went 3 and out.

Yeah but the problem there is making sure he didn't move back and get the official to call not enough men on the line.

I am just over the micro penalties they can see but the obvious penalties they lose sight of....

The million dollar question is actually if Toney checked with the official that he was lined up correctly. Thinking about it, I wonder if that's what Mahomes was ticked and why he was yelling at the ref on the sideline. Let's see what Mahomes and Reid say in the postgame.

Picky? A guy lining up clearly offsides is pretty much the most obvious call you can make in a sport with this kind of subjectivity of interpretation.

lol.. come on, dude. Not a ****ing chance.

Mahomes had like three separate drives from late in the 3rd until the final second to score the go-ahead TD and failed every time.

That second to last "drive" killed them. 3 and out and didn't do shit. That was the game.

I don’t get how he’s not on the commissioner’s exempt list while Justyn Ross is/was

Mac Jones led a game winning drive against this defense.

It's Toney. I think we all know the answer to that question.

No issue with the flag there. Most of you would be upset if the situation was reversed and they didn't call it.

What pisses me off is not calling the offsides on Miller 2 plays later. At least it looked like offsides. I don't have the energy to check.

He only beat up a pregnant woman, not an appliance.

You have to question Veach's evaluation of WRs if he thought Toney could be a number one guy. He also drafted Skyy Moore and Nicole Hardman. He's obsessed with low IQ receivers who are gadget guys. Same with Reid. They draft/sign these reeruns and then don't know what to do with them.

It’s the throws he’s not making that are his contributions in losing us games.

Much to your delight I'm sure, "Chiefs fan". :facepalm:

Defense got some stops in the second half giving the offense multiple chances to take the game by the horns. Still not sure about the catch/fumble by the Bills player. Never looked like he secured the ball. Although, multiple Chiefs had a chance at it and failed to recover. The ball definitely bounced the Bills way all game.

Does it even matter, though?

Don’t rely on the ref to check you. Just simply line up correctly.

Veach chose MVS, Skyy, and Toney. They have all regressed and are incapable of doing the little things that make you successful. I think he's been really good in other areas of building the team, but everyone could see the WRs were a problem from the opening game except, apparently, Veach and Reid.

It wasn't the game but it shows we had our chances. If we could get out of our own way these individual plays wouldn't matter.

Who even notices that? It's like a guy jumping early or holding. It happens every play. I don't think the Buffalo Bills would have mentioned Toney lining up offsides.

100%

He isn’t letting it fly and it’s costing us.

If he was playing at the level he was last year, we’ve probably only got one loss right now.

Yep. ..but what about the obvious penalties they missed? If they can see the micro penalty...and that was what it was....how did they miss the Offside on that last play?

What about the obvious pass Interference on the great catch that Rice made? Blind to that call?

What about some of some of the earlier chips on Kelce beyond the 5 yard line?

I am irritated at Toney....but once again they catch the micro inch and miss the obvious.

If the Chiefs had any other QB in the league but Mahomes, they wouldn't even be in the playoffs right now.

But sure, let's blame the best QB the league has ever seen over the WRs that have literally lost 3 games themselves this year.

Maybe next week is a must win for us. Seems to work for every team that plays us.

Was Mahomes mad that Von Miller hit him late on the last play?

It wasn't that blatant dude. Like I said, if nobody mentions it, nobody notices.

I’m gonna be the one to defend Toney because while he is subpar that call was lame.

He shares some blame, and for his part it’s the throws he isn’t trying to make that are there to be made.

What about them? You don't want them to call that very obvious penalty there because they missed some calls earlier?

Honestly, I find this argument completely absurd. You have to call that moron for that.

You're right but if the ref tells you you're okay, most people aren't going to move.

Yep this.

We are who we are at this point.

I've been saying the same. Yeah, Toney can't take that chance. But still, it's a picky call.

I thought von jumped offsides but they didn’t call- thought for sure it was a free play

It was incredibly blatant. He lined up right across the ball. LMAO

If the Broncos win the division I’m going to be so pissed.

If that happens, we lose in the Wild Card and I’m Clark, I’m putting everyone on notice. Get Patrick weapons or GTFO.

I saw it right out of the gate. Didn't even see the touchdown because I was already bitching about toney

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

They'll win a playoff game if they get to play the Steelers or maybe the donks.

I blame Veach and Taylor Swift

This is what I’m saying. He says something about offsides and everyone is assuming it’s Toney but I think he was talking about the play on Buffalo not called at the end

I get you. I just have no tolerance for shit like that.

You line up first, then check with the ref; so really at the end of the day, if you’re lined up a foot past where you’re supposed to be, it’s just entirely on you. No other way to feel sorry for you or explain it away.

A main reason we're even in these games is the throws that Mahomes is able to make to most of these clowns.

But won a SB with those types of guys last year. He had proof it was working. Now he'll change it next year. Mistakes happen, but it's super understandable seeing that he had literal proof it worked.

At some point during the week people find that stuff. I hear what you are saying but if we lost and then found out Diggs was lined up offsides I think a lot of people on this board blow a gasket and cry foul.

I'm not pissed about that call. I'm curious about the non-offsides after it and the fact that we can't get out of our own way with turnovers, penalties, and wr stupidity.

Dudes line up like that a ton and it’s absolutely NEVER called.

We just **** ourselves time and again.

It's pretty standard procedure to ask the ref if you're not sure. It's pretty safe to say he didn't do that.

Told you. That's the only thing that makes sense as to why Mahomes got that mad. He's not going to flip out on Toney like that in public.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per the Chiefs, QB Patrick Mahomes was upset after the game about the offside call that wiped out the Kadarius Toney TD. Mahomes believed Toney was not offside.</p>&mdash; ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1734015171159290103?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why did he let the #1 WR who could get open and catch the ball walk without replacing him if it worked?

Don't be an Eagles fan. We need to stop stepping in our dicks. Too many mistakes, too many penalties. ****ing do your job.

And yet he very much was.

Ouch lol

Not a good look for Mahomie

Therein lies my issue....missing the obvious yet able to catch the micro inch.

In other words, the situation was reversed, and they didn't call it.

So the Bill's let Miller play until the legal system runs it's course, and we bench our guy who turns out didn't do anything. Smart!

His knee was ****ed. Even the Patriots were worried about Juju's knee in training camp.

But yeah I'd rather have Rice right now

Yes but there were struggles at times on offense last year. I think the decision to not try to upgrade and instead depend on two guys who haven’t done it before with no backup plan for a team with Super Bowl aspirations was a monumental fail. Well that and the money they spent on Taylor

Why? I think it's a great thing that he's this mad. This team badly needs a wakeup call. They haven't even shown up to start a game since the Eagles. They've got one month now to get this right.

The refs suck. This isn't new. If Toney does his job none of it matters. Expecting the refs to not be horrible is a fools errand. I completely understand being upset about calls here and there but if the Chiefs could get out of their own way they would be 11-2. The call last week was especially brutal for sure but still. This team just needs to clean crap up.

Reid didn't answer half the questions in the press conference and then walked out before they were done.

Never seen him that frustrated.

If it wasn’t flagged you would never have even noticed it.

He was definitely offsides.

Exactly.

There's missed calls on every single play. Not just that one.

He needs to quit over paying average or below average free agents .

And yet that still doesn't make what he did any less stupid or any less of a penalty.

Cool...then having this conversation with you is not worth my time.

I wasn't saying they shouldn't call that...what I am saying is that you are pointing out the mouse in the corner and ignoring the elephant in the room.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said he&#39;s always been given a warning before a penalty like Toney&#39;s is called. &quot;It&#39;s a bit embarrassing for the National Football League for that to take place.&quot;</p>&mdash; Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1734016463659208878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Exactly. Monumentally stupid with no proven backup plan. Veach has made some nice moves but I hope the media continues to stir this up. This and the Taylor signing looking horrible right now

And the DB is lined up 10 yards off the LOS, so there's no competitive advantage. It's simply micro-management of one team.

Ok fine. But how bout Andy you tell your guys to not be morons either

Exactly right, and was also the case for Dee Ford.

But they are reaching a new level of incompetence...one that can't be tolerated. There were at least 3 highly obvious misses last week....2 besides the obvious pass Interference on MVS.....one of them the blatant hands to the face on the 4th and 2 lob by Green Bay...

The officiating was bad enough last week that it was reported that the group calling last weeks game would be scrutinized this week because of it.

I am not even sure if he was offsides or if he was it was like a millimeter or half a toe. Very ticky tacky.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Von Miller on the same play <a href="https://t.co/nuy9vcRc3k">pic.twitter.com/nuy9vcRc3k</a></p>&mdash; Smith (@victorywrestlin) <a href="https://twitter.com/victorywrestlin/status/1734018027102904781?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I agree to an extent but it’s gonna be hard to overcome personnel issues no matter if they are woke up or not. I sure hope there’s some kind of an out sooner than later on Taylor. If he isn’t jumping early he’s getting beat in key situations

I want to see it too. And I am pretty sure that he is getting pissed that seemingly every time we make a play like that, there is a penalty.

I think that's at least the 4th TD we have had nullified due to a questionable call.

Then, add in the officials twice ignoring blatant DPI against the Packers, and Mahomes is getting fed up with officials.

If I was Mahomes, and I was the face of the league, AND I was already rich enough that I could never spend it all, I would blast every single bad call and every official who ****ed up in my press conference.

What is the NFL going to do when the face of the league states publicly that there is a problem with officiating, and states it over and over?

Looking at that Von Miller is offsides too right?