That's the thing.....we are a PASSING team!!!!

See -- this is my frustration with narratives.

Look at those 2 posts from Kopp.

He criticizes Humphries for 'getting beat inside' and flushing Wentz to his left and then in his praise of Thuney, in the very first clip in his video, Thuney gets beat and flushes Mahomes to his left.

He goes on to ding Humphries for the hold call when Humphries flat dominated that rep. That's as soft a hold as they come - by any reasonable definition that's a good rep from a guy in a wide stance who tried to get across his face, he changed his aim point, took him inside and then ****ing pancaked his ass.

Meanwhile Thuney gets absolutely owned on the last play of Kopps clip and Kopp responds with 'he stayed in contact and delivered a last shove...'

What!?!? If that were Humphries and the exact same rep, Kopp would've murdered him for getting torched up the arc. That's a terrible rep that's on par with all but that one Bonitto rep that Humphries had.

In virtually identical situations -- both guys against premier 3-4 OLBs lined up really wide -- Humphries had the better rep. He took Bonitto inside and buried him while Thuney got beat up the arc and ****ing fell down. And Kopp criticizes the former and applauds the latter.

Kopp clearly had his mind made up when he went into that game and then built his narrative around the clips he had.

That's an absolutely ridiculous 'analysis' on his part. There are reasonable things to say in criticizing Humphries and in supporting Thuney.

Kopp, however, didn't manage it there.

You spelled Frank Clark wrong...;)

I'm about a hundred posts behind but seriously. When has Nate been right about anything?

Wasn't a free agent.

Otherwise the leagues best coverage Edge would absolutely be near the top of the list...

Yeah, when it comes to opinion, few are ever as routinely wrong as Nate Taylor.

I appreciate his access and think he occasionally uses that to bring some interesting information to the table.

But when he's just offering 'I think' or other such opinions, I find him to be almost completely useless.

There's some really good snaps in there as well, and Bonito is about as fast of pass rusher as we will see in the playoffs.

LMAO

Sneed. He called the Titans trade like a week before it happened

Everybody agrees the best case scenario is Thuney at guard and a LT that can play up to Thuney’s play the last two games. The problem is whether the team has a LT on the roster who can do that for a complete game. So far we haven’t seen it all season. So, it’s bite the bullet with a competent Thuney and bad guard play, or take the risk that DJ can get in shape in two weeks and be effective for more than 20 plays.

Also the first to report a definite timeline for Hollywood Brown.

I thought Matt Derrick had it first I may be wrong. I may have just listened to 41 is the mic first. I'm audio only.

In the Thuney/Steelers clip with the same formation as the humphries clip, Thuney gets the benefit of Pacheco running that way and to me it looks like the rusher stays in tight to Thuney because of it. Humphries just had open space.

Yeah - he gets some intel (and I'm guessing that was the case with Sneed)

I just don't think he knows shit about the actual sport. Didn't he get his start in basketball?

I think he's a writer that's learned about football. I don't think he's a football guy who took up writing.

And when he starts offering opinions, it shows.

If Humphries gets the start at LT, at least we have Thuney in reserve and if Humphries starts sucking or gets winded/exhausted they will just move Thuney over. If Thuney gets injured we are screwed and Pat is a dead man walking. Just like last year with the WR depth issues, this year LT depth issues is purely on the front office. While we ARE winning Superbowls, and I greatly appreciate that, there is still lots and lots of room for improvement for Veach and his staff.

He's really a columnist playing the role of a beat writer. He gets good quotes and writes good stories, but he's rarely the one to actually break new news.

To be fair, though, the Chiefs haven't really had someone who was super well connected since Terez. Most actual news is broken by Schefter or Rappaport these days - not the local guys.

Yep, we are.

And Buffalo disrupted that passing game with pressure right up the middle. Ed Oliver abused the best RG in football. If they line him up over Caliendo...

I really don't get the idea that guards don't matter - passing game or otherwise. 1) Thuney has indisputably been a critical piece of our OL performance these past few years, and 2) Chris Jones moves around, but his bread and butter is making guards look stupid.

I can buy that LT is MORE critical than LG for pass protection, but it's not like one matters and the other doesn't. More like a 10 vs. an 8.

And that's it.

It's a risk. Some people just can't handle risk.

When you're on the cusp of history, you don't play it safe.

Exactly right. This isn't Madden.

When Fisher went down with the Achilles, we had an issue at just LT.

instead of helping out whoever stepped in there, we compromised the RG, and RT spots as well.

Remmers to LT was an unmitigated disaster. Wylie from RG to RT didn't work, and the leagues highest paid cheerleader, Cam Erving certainly didn't work coming in to RG.

I've often wondered how differently that game would have gone if he'd just left these guys at home in their spots, and schemed to help out the stand in at LT.

If Humphries can go, he's gotta go. Thuney inside improves our chances of unleashing a rested Kareem Hunt on a mission to get his ring with KC and redeem himself.

Seriously. I think this dude, if given the opportunity, is gonna be a monster in these playoffs.

If we've got a healthy Taylor, and someone has wrenched Trey Smith's head from his anal death grip, we could really be in for some fireworks the next 3 ganes, because this team right now, is JUST NOW getting to what we all thought we were going to see all season.

Hollywood, Dhop, Worthy, Kelce, Hunt/Pacheco, healthy and competent o line.

I mean, if this offense doesn't explode, there's something terribly terribly wrong .

If Humphries struggles, you can yank him early. Not sure what the big deal is.

It's not like they're going to be facing the greatest team of all time in the divisional.

Maybe slightly different, but those refs were determined to get Brady another ring. I rewatched a few weeks ago and the PI calls and others were flat out BS.

Replace “Humphries struggles” if Humphries play leads to sacks, turnovers, or injury to Mahomes, we can just yank him. We will be fine.

Yep. They have to go with what they believe as the best line. Though would like to know the internal discussions. Wonder if they are somewhat waiting on not just practice reps but maybe matchup on wheter the other teams right end is more speed or power.

I'm guessing that if he's so bad that he's going to immediately cause a turnover or injury....he probably won't be out there to begin with.

Right.

If they put him out there, it's because they believe he's the best possible option.

No reason to doubt them at all.

What’s safe about moving a guard to start at the second most important position on offense?

The stafff seems to have learned lessons from that tough SB loss. Perhaps that is yet another one.

I mean, Thuney has been sitting there all year. It took them until December and 3 different attempts at fixing LT - which included signing a guy coming off a blown knee off the street - before they finally moved Thuney over. That suggests to me they really want Thuney at LG.

And that they see a workable path to having slightly lesser play at LT to have excellent play at LG.

Can Humphries be 95 percent as solid as Thuney at LT? 90? That's what the coaches are weighing. I'm going to trust them to get it right. And shoot, if they run it for a half in the divisional round and Humphries is not working, they can always switch it up. They'll have Caliendo ready. And maybe the rest helps Morris get that knee right and he becomes a more usable option out there.

You know what his floor is and what his ceiling is. That's the definition of playing it safe.

We’ve always played it safe with the LT position during the Reid era:

First sb run: veteran LT

Second SB run: traded a first for someone who was an established tackle

Third sb run: Signed serviceable veteran tackle

If you really wanna get risky, why not throw Kingsley out there?

You aren't intentionally trying to be risky. But it is whether you are trying to play not to lose by doing what you think might be the higher floor of moving your guard over.

Or playing to win although it has a lower floor.

There aren't any guarantees. I hope DJ has done enough to convince the team to start him.

Prepare your puckers, boys.

Andy says he hasn't made a decision at LT and then added that he likes what he saw in Denver and that Humphries is moving in the right direction.

He's not going to say anything, why would he? Better to keep the opposition guessing.

He doesn't care about fans fretting.

It isn't gamesmanship. He wants DJ to play LT. It's pretty freaking obvious because he did say something. Something he didn't have to say.

You really think who we run out there between Thuney and DJ is going to change the game plan of any team much if at all?

I mean you don't really change what you do when you know regardless LT is a weak spot compared to the rest of the OL.

Frankly I think teams would rather see Thuney knowing Caliendo is a weak spot as well.

Humphries will 99.9% be the starter at LT for the first playoff game, but we all know what will happen if he starts sucking.

We won’t know till a couple days before the game when it gets leaked out..

Because there is a difference between calculated risks that offer potential benefit(s) and just being stupid.

Quit being hyperbolic.

I think you partially answered your own question. Are teams going to radically change plans? No. But would they like to know whether KC is going to have a strength or weakness at guard? Sure, why not.

Yup. Based on Andy's answers during pressers Humphries is the starter at this point.

He sucks again they can yank him and throw Thuney out at LT. Or at half time if that's his fatigue marker.

Caliendo is a backup level player and Thuney at LT has killed the run game, that's 100% why they want Thuney back inside.

Thuney at LT forced them to change the entire offense. They can get by with Thuney but that's obviously not what the team wants.

I just don't understand why people don't trust them.

They are going to try to attack the left side of our OL regardless of who we start at LT in my opinion.

I think Andy Reid and Andy Heck will figure it out but it seems to me you start DJ because shifting back to Thuney in game is easier than the other way around I would think and you only do that if its been a disaster.

But will he? Won't he?

We're not going to know that until we line up for the first offensive series.

Of course Andy WANTS him to, everyone WANTS him to. Well, not the team's opponents. But everyone else.

Can he? Does he have anything left in the tank?

We're not going to know until we see it on the field. Andy already knows, I just about guarantee it.

You don't think the entire LEFT SIDE OF THE OFFENSE being weak would affect the opponents' game plan? Or that they might figure it will affect the Chiefs' offensive game plan?

If I'm a defensive coordinator, it makes a big difference in what I think I can do if Thuney's at G and there's a legit LT-and what I think Andy will do as opposed to Caliendo and Thuney playing out of position.

Come on now. It's pretty much outside of any reasonable argument.

My next post.

Dude, I'm really sorry, but if you think there's no difference to an opponent if we line up a former pro bowler in Humphries next to an all-pro Thuney or Thuney out of position next to Caliendo, then you don't know anything at all about football.

Not telling the opponent in advance is just smart on Andy's part. It's one more thing in a huge mountain of things for the opponent to have to prepare for.

This isn't difficult to understand.

LMAO I'm going to tell you, they are going to attack the left side of our line regardless of who is out there. OK so Caliendo isn't playing they will focus more on DJ, and vice versa if Thuney is out there but its not some seismic shift or huge difference in defensive game planning.

But I agree with you DJ should start and I think that's what's going to happen and I think most everyone except a few on CP believe that's what is going to happen.

I don't know if he will or not, because I'm not watching practice, talking to the team doctors-and I know I'm not qualified to judge. But this coaching staff is.

'seismic shift'? No, I never said that. But every little bit helps, and every little advantage could be the thing that gets you a win.

100% Humphries. No doubt in my mind.

There are several people in this thread that don't WANT him to. They'd rather settle for Thuney because starting DJ is "scary".

My only fear is they go away from what's been working with the quick pass game plan. Its been lethal the last few weeks. I just don't want them to add Humphries and start calling long developing concepts.

I think you're a little late to the party or something.

The last 3-4 days of this thread are people arguing that saying with Thuney is a BETTER option than starting Humphries.

It's not difficult to understand at all. The lineup with the highest upside is the pro bowl LT at LT and the all pro LG at LG.

People in this thread are legit scared of DJ starting and they don't have any faith in Andy to actually make the right decision.

Exactly why Humphries should start if he's capable.

Not just the run game, he got abused in the passing game too. He was practically pancaked in one play by a DT.

These are some of the same people that spent the season crying
Mahomes was gonna get hurt. They were scared of Pat starting the Texans game, despite the #1 seed being on the line.

Look how that turned out.

Do you ever shut up? You're like a little kid repeating himself incessantly....give it rest!

You know what is scary?

The Chiefs offense if DJ plays well.

If people would stop arguing in favor of fear and stupidity, I would gladly stop.

Most teams don't have a Chris Jones. Ok all teams don't have a Chris Jones now that Aaron Donald is retired.

For a passing team is is like a 10 vs a 3. For a running team its like a 8 vs a 7.

Ed Oliver abused Trey Smith. He will destroy Caliendo.

That's fine. Mahomes can see it. He can't see when a whiff comes.

I'd like to give Humphries the job but there is too much uncertainty. He hasn't had the time to play with Mahomes since he got injured. The playoffs is not the time to go oh well we will try him and if he sucks and ruins the drive or gets Mahomes hurt we can just go to Thuney. One ****ed up drive can cost you 14 points and the game in the playoffs.

Once again, sport -- we're happy to continue discussing football around you if it's all just too much for you to bear.

Volunteer gig, buddy. You're welcome to scurry along now...

If Andy says DJ can go, there's little to no uncertainty.

Mahomes is not going to get hurt.

They are competing for a 3-peat. Put the best team on the field.

No coach in their right mind would start their LG at LT unless no other options exist. Right now, options DO exist and they should be explored until Andy says they shouldn't.

Are you confident in this team or not?

You're such a little creep ass weirdo.

Do you hear yourself? You are making his case for him with Caliendo.

And yeah a G getting destroyed can ruin a drive or even a game. We literally lost to Buffalo in large part due to that happening.

You could just as easily say this to a number of people arguing the opposite position.

Perhaps I’ll watch from underneath the bed in anticipation of this scary possibility…

Says the biggest idiot on CP!

This thread lost it's juice a week ago!!!! It's the same take over and over....

Maybe if people would stop arguing with basic common sense, the thread would die.

Many teams have between a Mike Pennel to a DJ Reeder, though. You don't have to be Chris Jones to be a player that can make things difficult for an offense in both the run and pass game.

It's like some of you have literally no idea what you are watching.

Thuney is not an NFL LT. Caliendo is not a starting level OG. This isn't really an arguable point.

Yeah a G getting destroyed, yu maybe can see it but more often than not there is no where to go.

I think the question is whether DJ has the lateral movement to not whiff.

Chris jones is not as good vs the run as mike pennell.

You guys look at players as better vs worse too often and it’s too black and white.

Different players have different skill sets.

Chris jones is maybe the second best pass rushing dt of all time to Warren sapp.

I think the question is whether Chiefsplanet posters trust Andy Reid to make that judgement or not.

You would think three Super Bowl wins in 5 seasons might earn him that respect, but I guess not.

As I said like 9 pages ago, if Humphries is anywhere near healthy, this is not a difficult decision. If it's Thuney, it's because Humphries is not able to go.

If you're arguing with ME, you've missed my point.

You don't have to be an All-Pro DT to be disruptive was my point.

Aaron Donald is the best pass rushing DT of all time and it's not even close. I'd probably take Jones over Sapp, but I'm extremely biased.