Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 12141265)

This isn't even a great KU team. We have an inconsistent PG, a finesse low-post scorer that gets garbage points, a roll-player Big man that has been forced into a starting role, a litany of "great shooting" wings that aren't really great shooting, and a second PG that is just now starting to find his way. They aren't great defensively - much improved from what they were in at the beginning of the season, don't get me wrong. But they are NOT a great defensive team by any stretch of the imagination. I can't even really put what this team does well outside of Graham's great play recently...

You match this team up against '08 or even Tyshawn\TRob on paper they won't even compare... Yet they have risen above it all. Is it that this year is void of great teams? Is it that they are battle-hardened through a brutal conference schedule? I just can't figure this team out.

But to me, the season that this team has put together says all you need to EVER know about Bill Self as a head coach. What a masterful job.

In the end, this non-Great team may be one of the Greats.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 12141647)

The 08 team was head and shoulders the best team Self had. They were the best college team I've ever seen until the UK team that beat TRob.

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 12141870)

I agree that 08 is Self's best team. Danny's 88 team was really good, but I think the best team I've seen is 96-97: Pierce, Raef LaFrentz, Scott Pollard and Jacque Vaughn. When those guys were in their prime, you could add an average 3 guy and that would be a reasonable NBA team. I think the only KU team that might compete would be one that had a Wilt on it.

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12141884)

08 would've smoked 1997


Selfs 2nd best team was 2007 by the way

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12141884)

08 would've smoked 1997


Selfs 2nd best team was 2007 by the way

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12141884)

Selfs 2nd best team was 2007 by the way

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12141942)

Smoked? Yeah right. Id listen if you believe they were better, but I still think the 1997 KU team was the best I've ever seen. Just because they didnt win the tournament like 08 doesnt mean they were not as good. They basically blew everyone out they played that year, only regular season loss was a 2OT game in the road to megarival Missouri, then lost to Arizona who went on to beat three #1 seeds and win the title.

Paul Pierce also ended up being the best NBA player KU ever had in the last 30+ years.

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 12142133)

Who would you rather face in the Sweet 16? Maryland or Hawaii?

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 12142133)

Who would you rather face in the Sweet 16? Maryland or Hawaii?

Originally Posted by DanBecky (Post 12142137)

Don't know much about Hawaii. I'd say them just bc of the lower seeding. But sticking it to Mark Turgeon would be great too.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 12141451)

yeah, it's probably hyperbole...but in terms of guys knowing their roles and buying in completely, this is one of the best...which makes it so fun to watch

and they shoot 3s like maybe no self team ever has, not just percentages but as a focus of the offense

mason, graham, selden is the best backcourt we've had in ages

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12142142)

Id rather not have to face Turg. Always loved the guy. Met him one time at the Big 12/Big 8 tournament when I was a kid, he was a really nice guy.