All these true fans rallying around like idiots and me here without any Zyklon B.

They were 6th and points, but 23rd in yards allowed. The talking heads would have said "they rank 23rd in D" b/c they always go by yardage rather than points.

If I may play devil's advocate while using logic, here are the first round QBs this decade:

Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Vince Young
Matt Leinhart
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
J.P. Losman
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Michael Vick

That's 22 quarterbacks.

Busts, as of now: Ramsey, Harrington, Carr, Grossman, Boller, Losman, Smith, Young, Russell, Leinhart

That's 10 of the QBs taken in that time becoming complete busts to this point. And the other 12 aren't all great (so far), by any means. Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, Byron Leftwich, Michael Vick?

Even being generous with the term, you've got Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler that turned into "studs" at the position. So, even being generous with the term, you've got just over a 33% success rate picking first round QBs this decade, and that's not even taking the underclassman factor into account.

As for the idea of a "top 5" argument, notable failures (to date) include JaMarcus Russell, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith and Vince Young. In Fact, when you factor in those quarterbacks who succeeded (to date) after being taken in the top 5 (Ryan, Manning, Rivers, Palmer), there's a less than 50% success rate for quarterbacks taken in the top 5 this decade.

Given the above information, when the only other option being put forward is a junior quarterback, it's not as if there's no wisdom in saying "No, thanks. I'll take the left tackle.".

Careful. Dane will be along shortly to inform you that those guys aren't busts because they're on NFL rosters. They are all at least average, if not above average. You even have a Pro Bowler or two on there!

You're right.

The Chiefs should pass on a potential franchise QB out of fear.

Good one.

Ok, not every year but when you stated because they had a bad rushing game (just this year top 6 of 10 b4). I posted the stats you did not reply. You did say Ben was the fact due to your view but they had the top 10 rushing the first time Ben won and top running attack 4 of 6 years which includes his first SB. I quoted the facts of the running game and got no reply.

Just curious cause SB was plural under Ben.

See previous post.

I like Ben but to credit him as the only reason is narrow minded and not a fact based on your scale according to you.

I know I do not agree but deal with the real world.

JFC.

#1 Look up how many Super Bowls have been won with first round draft picks at QB

#2 Look up how many Super Bowls have been won by top 5 picks at QB

#3 Take the entire rest of the draft in the same time period, and show me the success/failure rate of those QBs

#4 Show me the safety of all these other high picks. Like LT. You know, the position of Leonard Davis, Robert Gallery, and Mike Williams?

#5: Show me a situation where a franchise should be totally risk averse, and how well it pays off for them.

No. We're all just waiting for Tebow, just to get your west coast goat.

JFC

do you ever think before you speak?

Do you have any of these answers? I am very curious about these.

Why do you say that?

You'll need to do a similar breakdown with other positions if you want it to be a truly thorough and logical discussion.

This has turned into a reeruned debate....

It went beyond pointless about 20 pages ago...