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Sweet Daddy Hate 06-24-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFanDave (Post 9772563)
Lil', meet Chiefy.

:fire:

mcaj22 06-24-2013 12:31 PM

Alex Smith would be closer to Rich Gannon/Trent Green than anything Drew Brees.

Drew Brees can single handed win games by himself. Alex Smith will never, ever be able to do that.

What Alex Smith can do is hopefully put up good efficient stats, like Green and Gannon did late into their careers.

Only different is Alex Smith is a #1 overall pick who you can argue is a draft bust at this point in his career until he proves otherwise.

Mav 06-24-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9772577)
Alex Smith would be closer to Rich Gannon/Trent Green than anything Drew Brees.

Drew Brees can single handed win games by himself. Alex Smith will never, ever be able to do that.

What Alex Smith can do is hopefully put up good efficient stats, like Green and Gannon did late into their careers.

Only different is Alex Smith is a #1 overall pick who you can argue is a draft bust at this point in his career until he proves otherwise.

Rich Gannon, was the MVP of the entire league dude. People shit on this guy like he was a game manager. He was a BEAST lol......

And no, no one associates the word bust with Alex Smith anymore. Obviously not worthy of the number one overall pick, but no where near a bust. He will be remembered as a guy drafted too high, but was efficient enough to remain a starter in the league. But lets not group him in with Joey Harrington, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, or Ryan Leaf, he is not that type of bust qb.

Hell, I would even say that Sam Bradford is closer to being a bust than Alex Smith.

mcaj22 06-24-2013 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9772595)
Rich Gannon, was the MVP of the entire league dude. People shit on this guy like he was a game manager. He was a BEAST lol......

And no, no one associates the word bust with Alex Smith anymore. Obviously not worthy of the number one overall pick, but no where near a bust. He will be remembered as a guy drafted too high, but was efficient enough to remain a starter in the league. But lets not group him in with Joey Harrington, David Carr, Jamarcus Russell, or Ryan Leaf, he is not that type of bust qb.

Hell, I would even say that Sam Bradford is closer to being a bust than Alex Smith.

Rich Gannon walked into a team with Jon Gruden players + a stable offensive system already in place under Bill Callahan. There wasnt a revolving door of offensive schemes and there was so much talent on that Raiders team in that small window they had no reason NOT to win the Super Bowl.

You are talking about a team with Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Bill Romanowski, etc

Those Gannon Raiders teams were ****ing stacked so I guess so he was able to be the MVP of an entire league playing with Hall of Famers on both sides of the ball.

Drew Brees and Sean Peyton went to a dying franchise that just got butt ****ed by a hurricane and rebuilt that team from scratch. That team had no talent no hall of famers no schemes no coaching no stability before those two arrived and did what they are doing.


That's why Alex Smith is similar to Gannon, Alex Smith is walking into a team with a stable offensive scheme (Andy Reid and friends), other people's talent (Herm's draft picks and Scooter Pioli's 2 good players in 4 years), and we are hoping he can use that talent around him and put something together statistically. He's coming into a team that had SIX pro bowlers last year. It's not like Drew Brees going into a team that had nobody. The team around him will be good enough to carry Alex Smith to a statistically good season(s). Like the team and offense was able to make Rich Gannon look like a God for 3 years.

Drew Brees actually carries the Saints, by himself most of the time because his defense the last few years has been one of the worst in the league, even when they won the super bowl that defense was not that good and they got by on Darren Sharpers silly end of his career season where a bunch of balls bounced his way for a lot of turnovers which masked their actual awful defensive coverage.

Mav 06-24-2013 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9772761)
Rich Gannon walked into a team with Jon Gruden players + a stable offensive system already in place under Bill Callahan. There wasnt a revolving door of offensive schemes and there was so much talent on that Raiders team in that small window they had no reason NOT to win the Super Bowl.

You are talking about a team with Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Charles Woodson, Rod Woodson, Bill Romanowski, etc

Those Gannon Raiders teams were ****ing stacked so I guess so he was able to be the MVP of an entire league playing with Hall of Famers on both sides of the ball.

Drew Brees and Sean Peyton went to a dying franchise that just got butt ****ed by a hurricane and rebuilt that team from scratch. That team had no talent no hall of famers no schemes no coaching no stability before those two arrived and did what they are doing.


That's why Alex Smith is similar to Gannon, Alex Smith is walking into a team with a stable offensive scheme (Andy Reid and friends), other people's talent (Herm's draft picks and Scooter Pioli's 2 good players in 4 years), and we are hoping he can use that talent around him and put something together statistically. He's coming into a team that had SIX pro bowlers last year. It's not like Drew Brees going into a team that had nobody. The team around him will be good enough to carry Alex Smith to a statistically good season(s). Like the team and offense was able to make Rich Gannon look like a God for 3 years.

Drew Brees actually carries the Saints, by himself most of the time because his defense the last few years has been one of the worst in the league, even when they won the super bowl that defense was not that good and they got by on Darren Sharpers silly end of his career season where a bunch of balls bounced his way for a lot of turnovers which masked their actual awful defensive coverage.

That's a fair statement by you. Although, having the second pick in the draft and not having to use it on a qb, because you signed drew brees, and being able to take reggie bush was a big help. But I get your point....

mcaj22 06-24-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9773327)
That's a fair statement by you. Although, having the second pick in the draft and not having to use it on a qb, because you signed drew brees, and being able to take reggie bush was a big help. But I get your point....


we had the number one pick in the draft and took a RT. If the Chiefs cupboard was as truly as bare as the Saints were when they had to take Bush, we could have easily taken a Tavon Austin type and been in the same boat.

That fact that there is players at the skill positions where some are proven and some need to start living up to their hype and draft slots, should be enough to tell you Alex Smith has the car keys to have a similar window as Rich Gannon, Trent Green, etc.

I don't ever expect him to Drew Brees our season and playoffs to the Super Bowl, because Alex Smith cannot do that.

New World Order 06-24-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Maverick91579 (Post 9772501)
Right. Because as we all know, that drew brees, because he doesn't have superior arm strength, cant make every throw. Uhhhh, wait, he can. So, no, I didn't contradict myself. And yes, Alex Smith, can make every throw needed on the football field. He just cant laser point it 50 yards like Kaep, or Flacco. His would have more loft, and he would have to throw it sooner. That's all it means. But, he can make every throw.


Absolutely. Because im not in other threads, you know like the leach bishop thread where im talking about, you know, leach and bishop, or im not in the media center talking about video games, and movies. Nope, every single one of my posts, are all about Alex Smith. You got me.



Look, you can't be serious as to say it was a good trade for us to give up 2 second round picks for a game manager. Can you?

Why would you defend someone who isn't a franchise quarterback? Why not just admit he's average?

Hootie 06-24-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 9773681)
Look, you can't be serious as to say it was a good trade for us to give up 2 second round picks for a game manager. Can you?

Why would you defend someone who isn't a franchise quarterback? Why not just admit he's average?

you realize that 2nd round picks are just not all that valuable, right?

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-24-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by unnecessary drama (Post 9773683)
you realize that 2nd round picks are just not all that valuable, right?

Depends on the year.

Hammock Parties 06-24-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by unnecessary drama (Post 9773683)
you realize that 2nd round picks are just not all that valuable, right?

Two second round picks are extremely valuable compared to a guy who is never, ever going to win a Super Bowl in Kansas City.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-24-2013 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9773757)
Two second round picks are extremely valuable compared to a guy who is never, ever going to win a Super Bowl in Kansas City.

This. Will nevar happen. Waste...of...time.

Rasputin 06-25-2013 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by unnecessary drama (Post 9773683)
you realize that 2nd round picks are just not all that valuable, right?



Dumb post is dumb.


Hell yeah second round picks are valuable. By making the right pick you create value with it. Being able to manipulate the draft and use it to trade up for a better prospect in the first adds value to the second round pick. Not having the second round pick ****ing sucks.

Hammock Parties 06-25-2013 01:10 AM

What's more likely?

Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl

OR

One of those two second-round picks turns into an above average 10-year starter?

Rasputin 06-25-2013 01:14 AM

This years draft sucked with out the second round draft pick. Could have got a qb prospect with it and took a chance on one. Still be able to draft a quarterback in next years draft if it looks like another prospect can be even better. For as many years Chiefs neglected the quarterback in the draft wouldn't hurt going back to back years picking first or second round qb draft picks. Have competition & have trade bait to get more picks.


I don't give a shit if this was a bad year for qb prospects they have upside that Alex Smith doesn't have.

DaneMcCloud 06-25-2013 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9773805)
What's more likely?

Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl

OR

One of those two second-round picks turns into an above average 10-year starter?

Alex Smith leads this team to the Super Bowl.

Ten years is a LONG time in the NFL. The Chiefs haven't drafted a player in the second round that has lasted ten years as a starter since Tim Grunhard (and he sat on the bench his rookie year).

As a matter of fact, Grunhard, Jim Lynch and Charlie Getty are the only second rounders to start for the Chiefs for 10 years in their entire history.


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