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Ocotillo 03-09-2022 11:11 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ortiz: “The system in the Dominican is not ready to have a draft next year. The Dominican is not the U.S. You can’t snap a finger and everything lines up to operate the right way. We’ve got a new president who’s trying to improve things. We need to do this slowly.”</p>&mdash; Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1501605516505714692?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fernando Tatis Jr.: &quot;The International Draft is going to kill baseball in DR. It&#39;s going to affect us a lot, because there will be many young people who used to give them the opportunity to get a bonus and with the draft it will not be the same ”, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ElCaribeRD?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ElCaribeRD</a>. <a href="https://t.co/KpUm6KEazb">pic.twitter.com/KpUm6KEazb</a></p>&mdash; Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) <a href="https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1501545530656186369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 9, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 11:11 AM

Eliminating the QO outright would really sting small-market clubs.

I still don't understand why they EVER went to the new system of taking a pick away from an acquiring team. The old system just granted sandwich picks between the rounds for players who were offered Arb and signed elsewhere.

Just go back to that. It allows teams to attempt to maintain some level of team control for their players but also compensates them if that player finds a better outcome elsewhere. And doesn't do anything to hamper the players market value.

dlphg9 03-09-2022 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16182056)
Eliminating the QO outright would really sting small-market clubs.

I still don't understand why they EVER went to the new system of taking a pick away from an acquiring team. The old system just granted sandwich picks between the rounds for players who were offered Arb and signed elsewhere.

Just go back to that. It allows teams to attempt to maintain some level of team control for their players but also compensates them if that player finds a better outcome elsewhere. And doesn't do anything to hamper the players market value.

They are constantly doing things to **** over small market clubs. Just look at the god damn draft and how they limited the amount of money they can spend.

Ocotillo 03-09-2022 11:19 AM

I thought the pick being attached was the only issue too, not the qualifying offer itself. The pick attached reduced some players' earning potential on a FA deal, which what it wasn't designed to do.

You see it every year, some players accept the qualifying offer because it's in their best interest to accept it. They won't get the same AAV on the free market that the QO gives them.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16182077)
They are constantly doing things to **** over small market clubs. Just look at the god damn draft and how they limited the amount of money they can spend.

Eh, the limits were getting necessary.

The demands from 1.1 to sign were starting to get so outrageous that small market teams were having to make 'business decisions' and passing on the top talents to get guys they could sign.

I get that it interferes with their ability to make splash picks later in the draft, but when bad teams sitting in the top 3 are taking the 10th best talent on the board for fear of not being able to afford their bonus, it was getting out of hand.

jd1020 03-09-2022 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16182077)
They are constantly doing things to **** over small market clubs. Just look at the god damn draft and how they limited the amount of money they can spend.

The players you covet are ****ing over small markets more than anything the league is doing.

DJ's left nut 03-09-2022 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16182103)
The players you covet are ****ing over small markets more than anything the league is doing.

Yup.

The things the players are fixated on are the things that will make it MORE difficult for small markets to compete long-term.

Because when it comes to this particular class division, the mid-market teams are going to align more closely with the small market squads than the large market ones. And in the end, they'll have the numbers.

MLB could easily push through approved proposals designed to significantly alter the competitive landscape of baseball. But the MLBPA will shoot them down because it will come at the expense of the agents who are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

chiefzilla1501 03-09-2022 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 16181584)
Indeed! There is major butt-hurt from the sports media for the owners. Outside of garden variety class-warfare, I'm unsure why. This whole idea that "players are the sport" is stupid. No owners...no organization or investment capital. No fans...no demand. No players...no product. Each of those statements are true. The difference is that nobody has ever really worked for the customer...the fans - specifically the fans of teams with smaller local TV contracts. I want the chance for generational talents to stay in KC if you draft and develop said-player. Nothing about the players or owners proposals in this negotiation works towards making that a reality.

Is it hard to figure out why people hate owners? Because a good chunk of them especially in baseball don’t give a shit about winning. It’s either a play toy or a financial investment. And as long as you have salary caps, regardless of what you think is necessary for competitive balance, it means players are underpaid and the owners get an even higher share than what the free market would allow.

So you have owners pocketing way more than their fair share in the name of competitive balance. And you have owners griping about not having enough money and yet nobody sells the team. Players don’t get contracts once they’re no longer useful. If the market worked consistently bad owners would and should see some financial distress. So yeAh I agree like on most issues it’s somewhere in the middle. But I’d say the worst of the bad owners in every sport are by far the biggest problems in sports.

This is unusual for the owners to bear the brunt of it. Usually it’s about selfish players who shouldn’t complain about a game they love while others are working double shifts for nothing. A dumb argument but one that plays out constantly.

dlphg9 03-09-2022 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16182103)
The players you covet are ****ing over small markets more than anything the league is doing.

The players I covet? I've said the players are being dipshits and say there should be a floor and cap.

jd1020 03-09-2022 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16182158)
The players I covet? I've said the players are being dipshits and say there should be a floor and cap.

Yes. You're complaining about the league damaging small market teams and not targeting the average player. The league has been talking about revenue sharing and caps since the players went on strike in 1994.

The players aren't underpaid because the large market teams dont spend enough on their rosters, they spend more on their rosters than football teams where the average team is worth $1B more. The players are underpaid because the players allow teams like the Pirates to operate at poverty levels. Yet what are the players fighting for? Any talk of legit revenue shares and a floor is shot down without discussion and they in turn ask for ridiculous leaps of $30M in year-to-year CBT gains.

dlphg9 03-09-2022 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16182185)
Yes. You're complaining about the league damaging small market teams and not targeting the average player. The league has been talking about revenue sharing and caps since the players went on strike in 1994.

The players aren't underpaid because the large market teams dont spend enough on their rosters, they spend more on their rosters than football teams where the average team is worth $1B more. The players are underpaid because the players allow teams like the Pirates to operate at poverty levels. Yet what are the players fighting for? Any talk of legit revenue shares and a floor is shot down without discussion and they in turn ask for ridiculous leaps of $30M in year-to-year CBT gains.

When have I put anything about agreeing with an increase of the CBT? I have been questioning the point of the increase and have been saying they need to implement a salary cap, but more importantly, a salary floor. I have a fairly long post about it in this thread.

I've said multiple times that the MLBPA isn't targeting the average player.

Maybe you should re read my posts a bit slower.

jd1020 03-09-2022 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16182241)
When have I put anything about agreeing with an increase of the CBT? I have been questioning the point of the increase and have been saying they need to implement a salary cap, but more importantly, a salary floor. I have a fairly long post about it in this thread.

I've said multiple times that the MLBPA isn't targeting the average player.

Maybe you should re read my posts a bit slower.

I dont give a shit about your other posts. I'm replying directly to a post you made directed at the league ****ing over small markets.

dlphg9 03-09-2022 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 16182247)
I dont give a shit about your other posts. I'm replying directly to a post you made directed at the league ****ing over small markets.

You said the players I covet.

So where does that come from? Because I said nothing about the players in that post dipshit.

jd1020 03-09-2022 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16182256)
You said the players I covet.

So where does that come from? Because I said nothing about the players in that post dipshit.

So you are bitching about small markets getting ****ed over and its not at all related to their ability or willingness to sign the players that are actually doing the most damage? Ok...

ChiefsCountry 03-09-2022 12:14 PM

Scott Boras is the devil for baseball


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