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He’s still at least average in his catching skills but still calls a great game. Although I do hope this is his last year. I’d hate to see a Yadi that has seriously deteriorated skills just hanging on to what once was greatness. |
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He slashed .152/.216/.242 in the playoffs this year. Thats Baderesque. |
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He wasn’t the only one killing us, but he certainly deserves his own criticism.
Yadi batting 5th tells you all you need to know about the state of our position player roster. Batting 8th is where he fits the rest of what is left of his career. He really doesn’t fit there well either, but if you have the other pieces and he continues to hold down opposing running games it is justified. |
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Our problem is, as the guest on Bernies podcast said yesterday,....... we need more good dudes... I don't understand why AL teams aren't interested in Jose Martinez. The dude can obviously hit. Carlos still has top shelf stuff, maybe we get a team that thinks they can "fix" Carlos focus and make a deal for more offensive production? Just trade Fowler for whatever we can get, pay the majority of the remaining contract. If its only a bag of baseballs thats fine, we need to just move on. If Mo is your guy, Dewitt needs to just eat the rest of the contract. |
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So, next year is gonna be the same squad right? There's not much they can change iirc.
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I have no hope that will change as long as he is running things. That said, theoretically there are several starting pitching options that could make sense. They won't be able to get Cole or Strasburg, and probably not Wheeler. However I wouldn't mind them kicking the tires on Bumgardner or Hamels as long as it is reasonable. Rendon would make a lot of sense, but they still owe Carpenter three years. Donaldson was a clear miss last year and will probably cash in on his big year with the Braves. If they had signed Donaldson instead of Goldy and NOT extended Carpenter there would be lots of options this year. The overstocked outfield are not names that are going to bring great value in return (maybe Carlson, which would be asinine). So, no probably not going to change much from outside. |
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If you were going to trade him you would have done it last season, but I don't even remember if the Cardinals seriously considered it. His OPS+ this season was 97. The DH average OPS+ hovers around 110. |
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Some 2020 payroll highlights:
So what can we do? Trade Fowler and Carpenter for "A" level lottery prospects. Pay 1/2 their salary to the other team. We can probably get more out of that $16 million we save from some other player. But, the main reason is to just move on from aging under performing players. You just need one team to think they can fix them. Thinking Angels for Fowler. Carp to some low level AL team with cash issues. Otherwise, thanks to Mo making players feel comfortable, we don't have any money. We cant expect to have a top 5 payroll. It's unrealistic to think Dewitt is going to go that high. |
I still can't believe that Carpenter extension
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Next year needs to be a farewell tour. Sign Waino to 1/10 and have him go out with Yadi.
Give all the AAAA OF enough rope to hang themselves, then see if you have any wheat. Give Helsley and Gomber a shot in the rotation. Eat the Fowler deal. If Miller shows life, trade him to a team needing lefty help immediately. Edman is going to have a much worse year next year. Prepare yourself for it, because his batted ball luck won't hold. Carpenter stays on the bench. Period. Don't rush Csrlson. Do all that and next year will be a success. |
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Interesting proposal coming about the minor league systems
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stor...-league-teams/ |
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If you keep Carp benched who plays third everyday? Do you even try to upgrade over there? |
You guys know damn well what SHOULD be done.
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Carlos Martinez has surgery on his pitching shoulder. Mo says it was minor surgery and will be ready for spring training. Soooo expect him back at mid season and again unable to throw more than 50 pitches at a time.
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Edman might be the best internal option, but he's more of a super utility guy. |
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Seems like a tough ask for both of them, but not impossible. I really hate moving a guy down the defensive spectrum when he established that he can play credible SS, though. Paul has turned himself into a pretty damn valuable player there on defense alone. Eh, maybe I don't dick with him. For as much heat as he took this season, he showed additional development in his approach. His BB has reached tolerable levels and his K rate declined as well. If he can sneak that BB rate to say 10% and get that K rate down just a tick more to say 21%, then normalize his BABIP to match some pretty good hard hit rates, he can have a hell of a nice offensive season. Sure would like to see him even out a bit but there's value in a guy who's white hot at times if the rest of the lineup isn't dependent on him. So much of that offense comes down to the fact that Goldschmidt and Ozuna were acquired to be steady, consistent 3-4 hitters and pretty much never were. Both guys got intermittently hot but only for short periods and took WAY too many noncompetitive ABs in between. And of course Carpenter. If your key guys are your key guys, then a guy like DeJong can be perfect in that he can carry the team for a few weeks. A guy like Bader can be hidden because his defense is just so damn good. But when you've got $70+ million or so plowed into Goldschmidt, Ozuna, Carpenter and Molina, let alone the additional $15 million or so in Fowler...well you just don't have a lot of rope left because those guys largely exhausted it through under-performing. |
That's my thing going forward, they're pretty much shoehorned into those guys being here again (minus maybe Ozuna). It's weird that they made it to the NLCS and next season feels pretty meh again.
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Paul DeJong isn't a 2 or 3 hitter and never will be. But he could be a solid 6 hitter and a real damn good 7 hitter. Bader can be an electric and interesting 8th place hitter and dynamic CFer. Then if Carpenter, Fowler, Goldschmidt and Ozuna did what they were SUPPOSED to do at 1-4, you can even move DeJong up to 5 with Wong and Bader at 6,7 (Wong could be a lot like ER was for the 2004 team) and Molina re-setting things ahead of the pitcher at 8 (but with the bat control to make pitchers come after Bader a bit because Yadi can punish them if they don't; that's the major drawback with Bader 8 but it's alleviated somewhat by Yadi at 8 and Bader 7). There were ways to make this personnel work together really really well. But 1/2 of them simply didn't answer the bell. And - SURPRISE - they're all handsomely paid. Because Moe just had to make 'em comfortable. Moe's failure to bring in good hitters ended up exposing good players who are flawed but bring value in their own right. It subjected guys like DeJong and Bader to criticisms that aren't necessarily unfair, but are definitely over-emphasized. Those guys aren't the reason this team failed. The 'big bats' we imported and/or extended are. But the young guys, the easier marks, are taking heat from the fans. Reminds me a lot of the shit Matheny used to do especially that season after they missed the playoffs the first time and flingding shows up to camp blaming the rookies (who were the only reason that team remained competitive for as long as it did). Point the fingers at the proper parties, IMO. |
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I may not know the deep stats like you do but I got eyes. Bader isnt learning to lay off the slider in the dirt or outside. Or according to what I heard on several podcasts was refusing to change. He was the player who got Budda fired. He refused everything Albert brought over from the Astros. Bader wanted to do it like he’s always been doing it and let the chips fall where they may......two weeks later after flailing around, he was benched. If Bader doesn’t adapt at the plate, with our shit offense, we can’t afford a defense first player that hits .200. |
Mozeliak and Girsch both get extensions
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Not a fan of Mo or Girsch getting extensions but am glad Shildt got one.
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Dewitt's fat and happy with the two WS’s championships and competing each year. Chasing some miracle run with mostly scrappy over performing players like 2006/2011 instead of building an Astros/Yankees/Dodgers type of roster. |
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I am sure there are other ways you meant this, but there is a lot of difference there. |
I do wonder if the “Cardinal way” thought process doesn’t make the Cardinals a little too inflexible in adjusting to changes in running a franchise.
It was great when they were ahead of the game. Now that the playing field has leveled, are they positioned for finding the next edge? |
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What a ****ing joke. Yeah that playoff "run" sure ****ed us in the long run
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DJ, Hamas or anyone in the know............. Does Albert get credit for developing the Astros hitters or was it just natural talent or a little of both? Can he really improve our way less talented hitting?
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/colu...950d59c25.html |
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I suspect it's largely organizational. The franchise, top to bottom, has embraced some of the sorts of tools that many Cardinals players have resisted. The swing vests and knob trackers and things like that are ingrained throughout the Astros organization. You get on board or you get gone. That or you're just a guy like Alvarez who's a natural hitter and doesn't need it. But this shit like Harrison Bader flailing at breaking pitches but resisting changes in coaching? Kid would've just been buried in Houston until he got with the program. It's gonna take awhile for Albert to have an influence here, IMO. Because it's going to take an organizational shift from top to bottom. |
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Is Harrison Bader Broken? vivaelbirdos.com/ His public response: It’s articles like this that continue to fuel the fire .. There is nothing ‘broken’ about my game only work to be done .. More importantly NOTHING can break my work ethic .. 2020 baby ‼️ .. *throws article in virtual trashcan* |
Shildt with some much deserved hardware - takes home NL MOY.
But yeah - we should totally fire the guy. PGM man - dude's just never right about anything. Tommy Pham and Mike Shildt are the guys we should be getting rid of. Sure thing, champ. |
Knew exactly what was posted before I even opened the thread. Asshurt much?
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I mean yeah - I would HOPE you would know what was posted before you opened the thread. As the most vocal and completely nonsensical of his detractors, I would expect even YOU would have the common sense to realize that you're gonna get called out when MLB honors the guy you wanted to fire. For...reasons. But yeah - the team got fisted by a squad that was so hot it beat a team many felt just put together the best overall regular season in modern baseball history. And that's Mike Shildt's fault. You've not been able to actually articulate an argument against this guy ever, so why start now? |
I just fisted you on Clowney to no rebuttal, so you posted this ROFL
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Happy for Shildt, still think the rest of the front office are in over their heads with the stupid contracts they've passed up.
On another note, is anyone else thinking of going to London for the Cards/Cubs next year? Tickets go on sale next week and I plan on going. |
Eh I have hard enough motivation to drive to a damn game much less fly overseas for one ROFL
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In search of a veteran relief pitcher to pay market top dollar. Requirements include being in your 30s (preferably mid 30s), and production used to be effective or highly effective but likely no longer. Pluses include recent injury history and most recent year was the worst in a long while.
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I hate his BS everything is rosy crap every time he speaks to the press. But, every NFZl coach fiesvthe same thing. And since the leaked video, we know he’s different when it’s just him and the team. Maybe it will give him some leverage to push Mo and Dewitt to do something every once in a while like Larussa would do on occasion. LMAO who am I kidding..... :sulk: |
Bunch of ****ing cheaters
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Proof from <a href="https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@incarceratedbob</a> that the Astros espionage took place during 2017 World Series, MLB needs to hand the death penalty to this crooked franchise. Biggest MLB scandal since 1919 Black Sox. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LockThemUp?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LockThemUp</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Whistle?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Whistle</a> <a href="https://t.co/kZus6sShWm">https://t.co/kZus6sShWm</a></p>— Ben Maller (@benmaller) <a href="https://twitter.com/benmaller/status/1194797836325421056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp> |
Any of these have an upside?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> have selected Elehuris Montero, Jake Woodford, and RHP Alvaro Seijas.<br><br>Dominic Leone DFA to make room.</p>— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/jmjones/status/1197285617555648513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Seijas doesn't really impress, certainly would be surprised if he continues as a starter. His stuff and his size projects more as a middle reliever. Woodford could be a back end of the rotation guy. I'd be surprised if he could be any more than that, at least nothing in his minor league stats suggest otherwise. At one time I thought maybe he could be a Lance Lynn type, but that was a mirage. WHIP is a stat I really like as a predictor, and his are average to poor at best especially for someone who doesn't strike out hitters at high rate. |
<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CardAnnals?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CardAnnals</a> we decided to look back in history for other evidence of sign stealing and you’ll be shocked what we found. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> <a href="https://t.co/3byqzuTkbe">pic.twitter.com/3byqzuTkbe</a></p>— CardsCards (@StlCardsCards) <a href="https://twitter.com/StlCardsCards/status/1197497809408339970?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>
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Laaaaaame
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Purchased Cards/Cubs tickets for the two games in London next summer. Let's just hope they win at least one to make it worth my while.
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Leone gave the Cards 64 IP for -0.1 WAR. What a ****ing turd. How do you lose a Randal Grichuk trade?
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I guess we got Flaherty for 4 more years and that’s it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirms: Cole to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Yankees?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Yankees</a>, nine years, $324M. First reported: <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JonHeyman</a>.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1204627245320458240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Someone reported the cards were interested in trading for David price
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Pretty much
It's hilarious they always talk about keeping powder dry and cant spend on a big player, yet if you added up all the shitty deals, it would equal that big player. |
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Totally cool with paying Paul Goldschmidt $27 million/yr through age 36 WITHOUT getting his prime seasons, but only after giving up significant prospect capital. Oh, and then getting into the market for David Price at $31 million/yr through age 36 coming off an injury plagued disaster of a season. This front office is unbelievably stupid and short-sighted. Rendon's going to get probably 5-6 million/season more than Harper and he's nowhere near the long-term asset Harper would've been. But Mozeliak "couldn't put all his eggs in one basket" so we'll just roll Fowler, Bader and Lane Thomas as our outfield. But hey, I'm sure Goldy will save the day! |
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Rockies will listen on arenado
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Saw a CBS writer calling for a Lindor to Cards (for DeJong, ONeill, and Edman). I don't think that would do it, but if it would I would pull that trigger even if he is a possible free agent in 2022.
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Not even close. Dylan Carlson is the name that gets that done. |
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If the Cardinals make that deal, they'll be crying poor the same as the Indians in 2 years when he's a FA. They've shot their wad the last 2 years. With Gallen, Kelly and Weaver as notable defections in deals that have done little but make them more expensive and inflexible, not to mention asinine 'thank you' contracts for slugs like Carpenter, they simply do not have the organizational depth or long-term flexibility to make moves like that anymore. They can't go after Arenado for the same reason. Maybe they did in 2016, but they don't anymore. They aren't a 'power team' that can show up and be on the other side of the 'small market/big market' power dynamic. Not with this level of commitment from ownership anyway. Now they need to be actively seeking 'baseball deals' where they see what it would take to pry a lefty with power and solid contact skills who can be an RBI bat for them in LF - namely Eddie Rosario. And not because the Twins don't want to pay for the guy, but because they have depth and a need that we may be able to address from our depth. They've exhausted any market advantages they may have had with wrong-headed moves over the last 3-4 seasons. Now they have to do it the hard way - they have to be smarter than their opponents. Personally I don't believe Mozeliak is up for the task. |
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Gotta love that one. Girsch almost certainly can't wipe his own ass without Mozeliak's say-so and Moe has the local scribes out there throwing his hand-picked stooge under the bus for arguably the dumbest thing I've ever seen a baseball team do. And it's funnier because of how predictable it was. Girsch's promotion was so obviously designed to give Mozeliak a fall-guy that it's hard to believe he took the job to begin with. He HAD to know that his sole purpose was to get fired if the Cardinals missed the playoffs last year (and probably to get fired if they miss them this season). Bottom line is that the instant someone needs to be held accountable, presuming they've already dismissed a minor league hitting coordinator or two, Girsch is the one that's gonna get to visit The Turk. |
The extensions for Carpenter and Molina have been hindering, for sure. Even the Goldschmidt extension seems questionable.
It’s from Nightingale, so it probably is bullshit, but he says the Dodgers and Indians are talking about Lindor, with Lux and May going back to Cleveland. ^ would be a huge coup for the Indians. Lux in that park (which is so good for lefty power) would be dynamite. |
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But the ALC is winnable and May is good. Dude's stuff was absolutely filthy several times I saw him pitch. If Lux could give them performance similar to, say, Jorge Polanco (which is a fairly reasonable possiblity) and May can be along the lines of, I dunno, Joey Luchessi....doesn't that give them a reasonable shot at 85+ wins? Obviously they'd need Ramirez to be closer to the player he was in '18 (and the latter half of '19) and they'd need Mercado and Naquin to take a bit of a step forward. They also have Franmil Reyes and Jake Bauers who both have 3 win potential (though I'm really struggling to figure out why Bauers isn't working; I liked that guy quite a bit). They could make that deal, get Kluber flipped for another top 100 prospect or solid young veteran (wonder if they could get the Yankees to bite on a Frazier deal) and still be frisky in that division. But much younger and much cheaper. Would the Cole deal make them less likely or MORE likely to deal a toolsy kid like Florial who may simply never make it at all? |
Wacha to the Mets
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Yeah, it’s a must-make deal if it’s really there. I’d try to move Kluber and hang on to Clevinger if I were them and making a deal. Or move one of Civale/Plutko/etc. for a young position player who can help them now. I think Lux’s floor in Cleveland is something like what Polanco did last year (.295/.339/.444), and I think he’d OBP and SLG higher than that. Something like .300/.360/.525 wouldn’t surprise me a bit. |
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Gonna be hard pressed to talk me into those kinds of numbers for dudes getting their first prolonged look at big league pitching. Especially when you have PCL squads with a .900 OPS as a team. PCL numbers mean precisely jack and shit right now. About all you can do is ignore AAA figures outright and see how an .890 OPS in AA would project to the big leagues. Gotta believe you'll see more of a decrease than to a mere .885. |
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If they don’t change the ball, yeah. The PCL was using the MLB ball. Believe he OPSed 1100 or close to it at AAA, right? |
Rendon to the Angels for 7/245.
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