To.me that is whole point. You don't need special. Just good blocking. We need a DB with the Clyde pick not a rb.

CEH was drafted in the 1st round too, he needs to be much better than he is now.

I agree. He’s not a bust. But he’s Steady and ok overall. Wish they threw to him
More often.

Just not when we don't want him to.

Great game today for CEH. No fumbles.

He's basically Emmitt Smith in a pass heavy offense. Give him another 10 carries and the odds are higher that he breaks one for longer yards. I'm not saying run more, I'm just saying 15 carries isn't much to work with, he's almost always running against pass sets with defenders back which kills long runs, yet he's at 100 yards the last two weeks with 14 and 17 carries.

I get always wanting more out of players, but jesus ****ing christ that's better running numbers than we've seen here for 4 years. It's exactly what we want from him.

You're not wrong, but everything changes if he can make people miss. If you run against a pass defense and make the 1st person miss, you end up with a 30-40 yard run. The field is so spread out that if the 1st defender misses, the defense is in trouble.

Maybe CEH is paranoid about fumbling the ball, so he is staying in contact mode? Pretty hard to juke people when you are running like a fullback, 2-hands on the ball etc., so he doesn't lose the ball.

CEH is making stride, we'll see.

What would have been an acceptable stat line for him today?

Best thing he did today was maintain an excellent average without needing to bust a 40 yarder to get it.

Averaging better than 7 yards/carry with a long run of only 17 yards means he was just out there consistently churning out nice carries that kept us ahead of the sticks.

I do think the OL was responsible for a good chunk of it, but he was also running a lot more decisively than he had been previously. The one time he gacked it was on a 2nd and short play where he got to the line to gain then instead of finishing the run, he tried to make a cut and got stuck short of the sticks.

He needs to get out of that mindset, especially with the raw power of the OL in front of him. They're gonna trend more and more towards a power running game when they put the ball on the ground and he needs to continue to work with a physical mind-set. When he did, he succeeded today.

I understand your point, i do, CEH had a solid game today. He had a good cut back run for a 1st down. He broke 2 tackles and got 8 yards for a 1st down. There wasn't much bad about CEH today, he looked solid.

My issue is that our Oline was opening some serious holes today and CEH was still just solid. If today was CEH's best then that isn't good enough imo. Just about every decent NFL RB can do what CEH did today.

I don't hate CEH, i just want more. I expect my starting RB to make people miss and for Defenses to worry about him. No defense is afraid of CEH right now.

Maybe this is the start of some real improvement by CEH. Maybe he will gain confidence and finally explode on the scene. I hope he does, really do.

This is why I still want Veach to get someone like Mack who can take it to the house. Mckinon isn't getting touches and Clyde and Darrel aren't busting big runs.

I am sick of CEH only getting 15 yards per carry!!

This is who he is, though. Even at his best, this is what CEH will do.

He's not a homerun hitter. He's not going to be a guy that bounces one out, out-runs and angle and then goes for 60.

He's a guy who's going to churn yards. He's going to be a guy who takes what's blocked and finishes the run hard. He's more Marcus Allen than Bo Jackson.

So if you're expecting something more than we saw today - you're going to be waiting awhile. It's just not the kind of runner he is. Either grade him on a scale that's fair for his skill-set, or bow out.

Expecting him to go out there looking like Barry Sanders when the line has a good day is a fools errand. This is what the Chiefs hoped to get out of him when they drafted him. If he does this with regularity, there's no reason not to be happy with the pick.

I.am as well
I want a real rb like JC in the 3rd round that was a home run hitter
Not an1st rounder that is not better than his back up.

When these two dumbasses post, this is how you know he is fine.

CEH played a huge role in this victory today. He had a great game. When he was rolling Patrick had no problem finding wide open guys and shredded PHI. Clyde's biggest obstacle is when Andy empties the backfield and he has no chance of getting the ball. The spread offense isn't dead but it's half as effective as it use to be.

Still pissed at him for that Baltimore fumble.

He’s meeting expectations now. It’s gonna take a few more weeks of that for me to forgive him.

Now if you’ll excuse me, my goateed genius fan ass is gonna hit up some Golden Corral!!

CEH is getting much better.

He's not a Jamaal Charles home run hitter, he's a Priest Holmes.

435 yards 7 TDs.

Fixed your post, judging by some of the comments on who the better runner on the team is.

I wouldn't say that either, he's not as fast and explosive as Priest

Holmes was neither fast nor explosive. He was smart, he was patient, and he played behind the best offensive line ever, basically.

Charles WAS fast and explosive, and one of the best I ever saw at making something out of nothing.

By the time Priest got to KC he was a 5th year player who had only 1 thousand yard season under his belt, via BAL. Clyde is 22 years old and just beginning his second season behind a rebuilt offensive line. With that said Priest may have been more explosive. He could leap over DL like few could. I haven't seen that in Clyde, not like Priest did it.

One last thing: at the age of 22 Priest was still in college. He didn't enter the NFL until the age of 24. That's how much experience Priest had over Clyde.

Are you kidding me? Priest could accelerate with the best he actually could pull away from defenders

Your memory is not accurate.

He was neither big, nor fast. He was smart, he was patient. He was just a guy until he played behind Roaf, Waters, Wiegmann, Shields, and Tait.

He had 3 monster years, but nobody could stop a sweep left behind Roaf. Nobody.

But no, he was not fast, was not pulling away from anyone, and was not a 'home run hitter' in the way that say, Jamaal Charles was. Charles could hit another gear and just run away from people. Holmes followed the best line in football. He was more Emmitt Smith than he was Barry Sanders.

Clyde is more in that type of mold.

The year he scored 27 TDs, his longest run was...31yds.

yeah, it's the fog of memory. We remember all of those touchdowns and figure, "well he must've been fast right?"

But he wasn't. he wasn't big, he wasn't fast, nor particularly elusive. He was nothing special from a physical talent standpoint. He was very, very smart, and he was patient and he played behind an incredible offensive line.

This is where the newer guys, are in the dark because back in the day CP was using the Terrell Davis comparison. The thing that was different was Priest's acceleration in the 2nd level in comparison to Davis' brute strength.

Wasn’t Priest 40 time like 4.8 or something crazy slow like that?

4.73, 115 inch broad jump, and 33 inch vert.

CEH ran a 4.6 with a 123 inch broad jump and 39.5 inch vert.

no, man.

Quick. he was quick. But not top end speed.

he was nowhere near the physical specimen that Davis was. Neither was particularly fast, not in a Jamaal Charles way, whom I keep bringing up because he WAS just ridiculously fast.

Holmes was VERY effective, but he was not fast.

Wow, 39" vert? He should be diving over the top in goal line. Get Priest on the phone he'll show him lol.

(I did see Clyde go over the top against AL in college. He can do it.)

Clyde will get there. I doubt he'll ever break the franchise record for rushing TD's in a season. That's not the kind of offense we have with Patrick and Co.

Emmitt Smith with a splash of Priest Holmes

Best game since his first. Fastest he has looked as well.

Well, this ends that debate…

Except on field performance in uniform

Still ignoring the OL that was blocking for Priest?

I’m not talking about a Priest vs. CEH debate.

I’m talking specifically about their speed. Priest was no faster than CEH.

Nope, I've said as such but Holmes showed more athletic talent with vision , cuts, and acceleration in comparison to CEH. Clyde is JAG he picks a spot and goes forward with no instinct or burst.

Priest was a JAG before he ran behind arguably the best OL the game has ever seen. He wasn't even a starter in his last 2 seasons in Baltimore.

Wow, Clyde literally has no positive traits. Just imagine if he did! He would’ve averaged 20 YPC today!

Should I expect 1700+ total yards out of CEH this season?

I mean that’s clearly in line with your expectations.

Back to back weeks with over 100 yards while averaging well over 5 YPC, and he still sucks. So, why not?

Ok, it's settled 1700+ all-purpose yards per Staylor or it's a failure

:facepalm:

Yea that’s what I said!

Don't worry, your Priest Holmes autograph isn't going to get devalued because of CEH's performance good or bad.

^turd biscuit wants our RB to fail. Just admit he done good, turd.

CEH is JAG, and hasn't done anything to set him a part as elite like Kareem or Jamaal.

Thank god the Chiefs offence doesn't have your attitude.

Pretty much

I was clearly talking about your expectations.

Yeah, it's damage control he was less than advertised

LMAO

Don't pussy foot around it, you agreed

Today was a step in the correct direction. CEH needs our support if he is to improve & redeem himself for his horrible failure in week 2 that cost us the game he needs us to believe in him. Scorn does not help matters.

He had a really solid game today and if you're trying to say otherwise, you're either hating for other reasons or way over analyzing things.

In no way was I predicting that CEH will get 1,700 yards.

It was clearly sarcasm in response to your ridiculous expectations.

Then JAG expectations, after all he's a 1st round pick

So you’re admitting it’s 1,700 yards or JAG for you.

Thanks for proving it to yourself and being honest that you just have ridiculous expectations.

I'm gaging expectations, and by the eye test considering the OL is a force of nature this season concerning the run game.

Last stat I seen was 14-102 that’s pretty good

I figure something in that ballpark, yeah. 1500+. I said so before the season started, and they're starting to roll.

You're just tripling down since you were shown to be incorrect regarding your Priest Holmes memories now. Holmes, who ran that sweep left behind Roaf for 6 plus every single damned time they wanted to. Holmes, of the 4.73 yd 40 yard dash.

I've said it many times but I don't think casual fans understood just how incredible that line was. And this one is also excellent at run blocking, while they're growing into pass protection.

poor mans marince jones drew. He ran hard today. Finished runs.

Here's a question I've been pondering: at what point in a player's career does his draft rank stop mattering in terms of his production?

When do we stop giving Sneed the benefit of the doubt since he wasn't a first round pick? When did we stop judging Fisher on being 1/1 and start looking at him as just a solid LT? When do you recognize that Clyde is our RB and he should now just be judged against other RBs rather than his status as a 1st round pick?

At this point, they're on your team. Production is production. Whether Clyde was a 1, a 3, or a 5, we're not able to go back and change time. If you feel like Clyde at 1 was a bad pick, your problem isn't with him - it's entirely with Veach and Reid.

His best game of the season but still left a lot of yard on the field. The run he was stopped at the 1ft line was great but should have been a TD with the size of the hole that was there.

Hopefully he continues to build on these last two games.

Clyde has really found his groove the last two weeks with his average being well over 6 YPC in that span.

Looked to me like he is more concerned about ball protection than scoring.

I'd imagine with D's playing us so deep it will be hard to break off some really long runs.

A huge chunk of the fanbase never got over Fisher going 1.1.

Guy was one of the better LTs in the league playing on a contract that paid him 60% of what the top of the market was getting and folks were still constantly looking to cut him to save cap space.

Had the guy been taken at 25th overall he'd have been a guy the fanbase loved but instead he was always on the chopping block for some people.

A guy's draft status becomes immaterial the moment his contract is signed. Past that any further analysis is of the organizational team that made the call to draft him and the opportunity cost of same.

A more productive, though perhaps less definitive approach, is to try to evaluate someone in relation to what the team's expectations of him are/were.

That's where I take umbrage to guys not giving CEH credit for his game today. Look - maybe you wanted him to be a game-breaker to take him in the 1st round. In which case your complaint is as to the front office.

But Veach flat out said it when we drafted CEH - the front office was frustrated by runs that were blocked up for 4-6 yards that were going for 1 and getting them behind the sticks. The Chiefs wanted a guy who was going to secure the yardage in front of him and allow the rest of the team to do its job.

Clyde did exactly what was expected of him today. The OL dominated and Clyde took advantage of that. If he does what the team expected of him, he did his job. If someone thinks those expectations were too modest for a 1st round pick, then you can grouse about the front office but not the player.

Interesting to watch the post game pressers yesterday.

Reid kidded around with how "mean" the reporters and fans can be when answering a question about Clyde's approach.

Clyde's gave good answers about preparing for games no different no matter how much criticism he gets from reporters and fans.

The way I see it, if his coaches and teammates believe in him and see him as the clear RB 1 for this team. I trust their opinions more than the opinions of some reporters and some fans.

He's "fine" if he continues to protect the ball.

We should still upgrade.

I just don't care.

The running game is so damn secondary on this team that it's only the mists of the Marty era that still has some people as focused on it as they are.

On a bad day passing the football we pass for 7.5 YPA attempt. On an amazing day running it, we run for 7.3 YPA. I just don't care about getting some HR hitter RB in here when all a hand-off does is take the ball out of Mahomes hands.

If we can stumble into one with a 4th round pick or some cast-off RB that doesn't take up any cap space - sure, why not? But that's not terribly likely.

Instead we should focus on getting younger with our pass catchers and improving our pass defense. Be that the DL, safeties or continuing to improve the athleticism at LB. This team is built to score points in the air and do so quickly, then put pressure on the opposing offense to respond in kind.

Play to you strengths. The CEH draft pick is a sunk cost. If he's going out there and taking advantage of soft boxes while getting the yardage his line can power block for him in short yardage situations - that's good enough to focus your cap space and draft capital elsewhere.

This 100%. CEH isn’t a superstar, but he’s more than serviceable for this team.

This could not be more wrong. This team needs a strong running game that the opposing D has to account for.

Without the threat of the run yesterday we do not win.

This team has gone to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them with, at best, a pedestrian running attack.

It averaged nearly 40 points/gm in the first 3 weeks with a running game that just wasn't working terribly well and lost a game precisely because of its insistence on running the football.

"A running game the team has to account for" can absolutely be had just as it was yesterday - by doing nothing more than picking on soft boxes and getting the yards that are blocked. You don't need a star RB for that. CEH can be that guy and WAS that guy yesterday. He's good enough for that.

People still overestimate how good your running game has to be to force teams into decision points. A running game that is nothing more than an average half-back picking up yards against soft boxes when they're provided is enough to force teams out of those soft boxes. You don't need a guy that can outrun the edge and house one to get teams out of deep safety sets. You just need exactly what CEH can do when he's running the ball with the purpose he ran it with last week.

This team has more than enough talent both on the OL and in the offensive backfield to keep teams honest. And that's all they need to have.

It's not about homeruns. It's about getting TDs in the red zone. A little more burst at RB, like Damien had, would help us out immensely there.

It was a problem last year, and is a problem this year. Mahomes can't shovel every TD in.

CEH is fine for now but don't pay him.

This is not 2019 or 2020. Teams are playing KC different now. Without the running game we do not win yesterday or have a chance against the Chargers in week 3.

Maybe that will change if Gordon is able to take attention away from Hill and Kelce.

The running game is incredibly important to this team. Andy has to use it to keep the opposing teams offense off the field. Sealing games running the ball is incredibly important to this current team. Andy has to manage the clock with a running game because he knows if he gives the ball back with less the 45 seconds to go and less then a one score lead he losses. The cure defense is so bad they are effectively eliminating the Mahomes factor. Scoring quick is not advantageous for this team because the defense is that bad.

Edwards-Helaire has looked strong both of the past 2 weeks. If he keeps performing at this level, I don't see anything to be concerned about re: him or the running game.

Two things stand out to me as different in these games:

1) The OL and RB are getting more on the same page. He seems to have a better feel for where a lineman is going to take his guy, and is doing a better job managing the holes.

2) The playcalling has adjusted. They aren't trying to go sideline-to-sideline with Edwards-Helaire on the outside zone stretches. They're running inside zone, primarily, and he's thriving.

I still don't understand why he isn't more of a factor in the passing game... and would still like to see him used more there (especially since they've been going empty a lot, anyway), but no real complaints here.

The Chiefs needed an offensive line and running back combo that could punish light boxes. It's finding that combination and making teams pay for it (even when they have good DL personnel. That Eagles unit would have been been able to handle the run while still dropping 6-7 into coverage every down against last season's OL).