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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 17271882)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Andy Reid said he's always been given a warning before a penalty like Toney's is called. "It's a bit embarrassing for the National Football League for that to take place."</p>— Adam Teicher (@adamteicher) <a href="https://twitter.com/adamteicher/status/1734016463659208878?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

And there it is….

****ed in two straight weeks.

Taylor Swift needs to make a statement along the line of "I'm telling all my fans to stop watching the NFL until my boyfriend's team gets better officiating."

NFL: “We’re going to let the legal process carry itself out before throwing a penalty on Von Miller.”

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 17271968)

Looking at that Von Miller is offsides too right?

The picture doesn't show that Miller's feet are way behind the line. I'm assuming that's the difference.

Still too picky no matter how you cut it.

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Originally Posted by Mulliganman (Post 17271936)

I agree to an extent but it’s gonna be hard to overcome personnel issues no matter if they are woke up or not. I sure hope there’s some kind of an out sooner than later on Taylor. If he isn’t jumping early he’s getting beat in key situations

They probably won't overcome the lack of WRs this year, but we haven't even seen this team show up for a full game in a month now and that isn't a WR problem. They need to bring their full effort for the rest of the season. Their playoff lives are on the line now in every game going forward.

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17271753)

Told you. That's the only thing that makes sense as to why Mahomes got that mad. He's not going to flip out on Toney like that in public.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per the Chiefs, QB Patrick Mahomes was upset after the game about the offside call that wiped out the Kadarius Toney TD. Mahomes believed Toney was not offside.</p>— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1734015171159290103?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

What’s weird about that is— how could Mahomes tell? He’s not looking at the receiver’s feet before the snap.

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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 17272015)

What’s weird about that is— how could Mahomes tell? He’s not looking at the receiver’s feet before the snap.

It's not really about the call, it's about the loss.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17271459)

The idiot ****ing lined up offside. They have to call that.

So did Von miller and crickets there

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Originally Posted by manchambo (Post 17272015)

What’s weird about that is— how could Mahomes tell? He’s not looking at the receiver’s feet before the snap.

Maybe because that shit is never called. And the ref signaling to the wr that he is fine makes it even more bizarre.

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17271946)

I want to see it too. And I am pretty sure that he is getting pissed that seemingly every time we make a play like that, there is a penalty.

I think that's at least the 4th TD we have had nullified due to a questionable call.

Then, add in the officials twice ignoring blatant DPI against the Packers, and Mahomes is getting fed up with officials.

If I was Mahomes, and I was the face of the league, AND I was already rich enough that I could never spend it all, I would blast every single bad call and every official who ****ed up in my press conference.

What is the NFL going to do when the face of the league states publicly that there is a problem with officiating, and states it over and over?

They should have bitched a lot more last week about that Packers call (which was one of the worst non-DPI calls anyone has ever seen). It's pretty obvious that this week's bitching is just a product of that accumulation.

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Originally Posted by Fishels (Post 17272025)

So did Von miller and crickets there

It's cool. He will probably miss all the rest of the games this year. Played in this one, but now will get suspended. Seems fair.

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 17271866)

Cool...then having this conversation with you is not worth my time.

I wasn't saying they shouldn't call that...what I am saying is that you are pointing out the mouse in the corner and ignoring the elephant in the room.

It's not worth my time either if you think they shouldn't have called that obvious penalty because they missed other ones throughout the game.

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 17271932)

But they are reaching a new level of incompetence...one that can't be tolerated. There were at least 3 highly obvious misses last week....2 besides the obvious pass Interference on MVS.....one of them the blatant hands to the face on the 4th and 2 lob by Green Bay...

The officiating was bad enough last week that it was reported that the group calling last weeks game would be scrutinized this week because of it.

I'm all for hearing the refs get ripped apart. But they have been screwing over teams for quite some time. Saints fans would argue this isn't a new level but the status quo.

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17272045)

I agree. I think the frustration is more about last week.

Why was Von not called offside the play after if "it's the rules"

Taylor had a horrible rep on the very last play of the game. He was beat badly and was the reason Mahomes had to throw to essentially no one. Taylor sucks for what we’re paying him.

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17272155)

Taylor had a horrible rep on the very last play of the game. He was beat badly and was the reason Mahomes had to throw to essentially no one. Taylor sucks for what we’re paying him.

He can't block a 35 year old who beats his wife.

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Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn (Post 17271832)

He needs to quit over paying average or below average free agents .

Once again it most recently won him a superbowl.

If we fall short this year, he'll adjust his approach.

There is literal proof justifying his approach each year and his actions in the past when he makes mistakes.

Stop ****ing crying. He's not supposed to be perfect.

This was ugly. Hopefully we get our shit together. Defense woke up, offense didn’t. Once again, we are hampered by our non-existent weapons. We can do **** all on O. It’s alarming.

You know some of the things we did in high school would really translate to the nfl really well like having a coach always looking to see if someone is offsides, yelling watch the fake, and watch the onside kick.

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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 17271675)

Yep. ..but what about the obvious penalties they missed? If they can see the micro penalty...and that was what it was....how did they miss the Offside on that last play?

What about the obvious pass Interference on the great catch that Rice made? Blind to that call?

What about some of some of the earlier chips on Kelce beyond the 5 yard line?

I am irritated at Toney....but once again they catch the micro inch and miss the obvious.

Cheffers is used to looking for his micro.

Let's hope the Toney. And Shyy experiments ends tomorrow morningwho am I kidding? LMAO

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Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 17272865)

more bitching about the refs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBCArT_a...pg&name=medium

NFL officials call everything they see but only see what they want...

NFL officials also have a script to officiate to..

I don't know why we decided to die on the referee hill over a legitimate call. If you had any time to bitch it was last week. We just look stupid honestly.

Players calling out refs when their call was justified will not end well.

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Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin (Post 17273069)

I think what you're seeing is fans becoming less OK with NFL officials manipulating outcomes of games via timely (or not so timely/suspect) calls. Hindsight is 20/20, but the Chiefs tried to take the high road after last weeks CLEARLY ****ED UP AND BLOWN non-call, so this week they're going on record about the NFL official's ways and means to manipulate games.

Oh, we've been told that the blue line isn't official, so was he really offsides? :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 17273089)

Yeah I mean we as fans can go nuts about it, no problem there at all.

I just worry of the repercussions the team may face later down the road when the catalyst was more than likely a legit call on a WR who sucks and didn't line up correctly.

As for the blue line. I will admit I'm not entirely clear on where the LOS is and if it comes out that he wasn't offside I'll obviously change my tune.

My eyes tell me he is, but I'm sure there are people going over it with a fine tooth comb and we'll find out for sure probably tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin (Post 17273095)

Yeah I mean we as fans can go nuts about it, no problem there at all.

I just worry of the repercussions the team may face later down the road when the catalyst was more than likely a legit call on a WR who sucks and didn't line up correctly.

As for the blue line. I will admit I'm not entirely clear on where the LOS is and if it comes out that he wasn't offside I'll obviously change my tune.

My eyes tell me he is, but I'm sure there are people going over it with a fine tooth comb and we'll find out for sure probably tomorrow.

Unless the league is as corrupt and manipulated as we've been told it isn't, what would there be to fear from a "totally fair and unbiased" officiating community? People can't have it both ways, if be critical of officials means they retaliate against you wasn't a reality for Manning or Brady, why would it be an issue here? Basically PMII and Andy pay a fine for being too honest and it's over, right? Or are the NFL's officiating crews the emotional assholes I think they are?

Philly fell harder than the Chiefs today.

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Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17273114)

Philly fell harder than the Chiefs today.

Five seed

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Originally Posted by KurtCobain (Post 17271727)

But won a SB with those types of guys last year. He had proof it was working. Now he'll change it next year. Mistakes happen, but it's super understandable seeing that he had literal proof it worked.

Actually, no. Juju was a big help on offense. Kelce has slowed significantly, and wasn't as banged up nor in love. (BTW, I think Kelce will retire after this season. Just a hunch.) And we had Milgram on defense who was a monster in there and shut things down.

We are several players short of a champion team. It's not going to happen this year. Just enjoy the ride.

Last year was the anomaly. Kelce was still at his peak and with Juju we had just enough with MVS seen as a genuine deep threat.

This year the roster isn't good enough. Hopefully I never hear about "balance" again with a Reid/Mahomes team because it was, is and always should be an offense first team. Weapons and protection and cobble together any old turd on defense.

Honestly though, I'm OK with it. I kinda expected this year would be more of a slog. As long as next year is the year of the offense it's all good.