Ooooh,.... Add a quality center to that bunch and we could have the best O-line again in the NFL in a couple of years.

Colt McCoy and Matt Ryan are nothing alike.

Have you watched a single Georgia game this year?

If you took away Stafford's arm and gave him an average one, you still have a QB who is 6'3", 240, who runs a 4.7, and has played in a pro-style offense with almost no weapons on the outside and has started since he was a true freshman in the SEC.

He'd still be a first round pick. He's the best quarterback prospect in the last 3 years.

He's also played in a Spread offense, comes from a program with a horrible history of coaching up their players. He's also been injured 3 times as a starter, and he has a Brodie Croyle like build.

If Freeman had thrown for 478 yards against Baylor, are we having this discussion?

I don't think that people understand how overrated OU's defense is without Reynolds. They got torched by Kansas FFS.

Intangible wise they are.

ROFL...they are called "intangibles" for a reason

He's a good leader that finds ways to win and the players rally around him. He's also a non-issue since he's returning to school.

We'd probably still need to draft a LG to take over for Waters.

There's also a 50/50 chance Richardson would work out at RG and Taylor would work out at RT. I'm guessing only one of them would pan out at those positions, but that's why you give it a shot.

Of course we are. He's been on the national radar all season. I don't live anywhere close to KC, so don't use the Big 12 bias argument on me. We're not talking about Chase Daniel or Todd Reesing, we're talking about a guy with legit pro size and tools.

I'm sorry, I don't want to spend a top three pick on Jason Campbell. It's horrible value.

Yes, because I'm pounding the drum of drafting him with a top three pick......

Are you incapable of taking the middle ground on an issue, or even a wait and see viewpoint?

You change your argument on Freeman with each post. The bottom line is that Freeman has all the tools to be a great pro pick, and his overall tools are right there with Stafford. We're barely halfway through the year - let's let it play out.

No, I don't. I've taken a pretty clear stance.

1) If you switched him with Jevan Snead no one gives two shits about him
2) He makes poor decisions with the football
3) He plays against a much lower level of competition than Stafford.

North Texas, Louisville, LA-Lafayette, Tech, OU, Colorado, aTm, Montana State.

That obviously compares to LSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Arizona State, Tennessee, Georgia Southern, and Central Michigan.

4) I'm really not in favor of us trading future picks in order to move back up to take someone when we are trying to rebuild an entire football team.

You keep saying this, and it makes absolutely no sense. Keep throwing out non sequitors though, it really makes you sound like you know what you're talking about.

He's just a junior, he's not perfect, and so does Stafford.

Sure. And his surrounding talent is much worse than what Stafford has, and I've pointed this out to you numerous times.

All he can do is play the teams on his schedule. His tools are still the same whether KSU plays USC or Northern Iowa. This argument is honestly pretty awful, considering the likes of Big Ben, Flacco, Matt Ryan, etc.

We could trade back as well. Either way, it's moronic to just exclude a player that could help this team because you currently don't like one potential way to acquire him.

Point 1: This board has shown a consistent history of Big XII bias. It's not a non-sequitur, it's an ability to rationalize that people have a fondness for prospects who they are closer to/see more.

Point 2: Stafford's receivers are shite. They can't get separation and he is routinely playing against elite college level talent. But here's the difference--he's shown an ability to read a defense, go through his progressions, check off and audible at the line of scrimmage, and distribute the ball to the correct man in the right spot.

Freeman is neither as accurate nor as strong armed of a thrower as Stafford, and although Stafford has made some poor decisions, Freeman is not nearly as advanced when it comes to making good choices with the football. Freeman played like absolute crap against the likes of Colorado and Louisville. Stafford played like crap against Alabama, but was literally the only thing that team had going for them that entire night.

The fact of the matter is that Freeman is a horribly inconsistent player, and he needs another year of actually playing the position to work out those kinds.

And trading down from a top five pick? Absolutely ****ing reeruned unless someone offers you a Herschel Walker level of compensation.