Originally Posted by scott free (Post 9496438)

San Fran Hippie with one of the most entertaining reads i've seen for a while.

Its pretty much trolling, but i'm always willing to listen to well said points... i also honestly agree with the other frisco noobtroll who said in another thread "we'll always be looking for something better than AS"

But the revival has to start somewhere, average is better than below average, this team needs to regain its SELF respect before it can gain the leagues respect.

Now quit kicking sand from your mighty forty niner perch, you dirty hippie, and go get pelosi a mimosa.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9496442)

I just can't handle any more good things happening to such a mopey little **** in Harbaugh. That guy is the world's biggest 4 yr old.

Originally Posted by jd34 (Post 9496417)

Go read some of the mocks and some of the SF media. They are all saying the 49ers need DL, WR, DB and TE at the top of the draft. Why do you think they include TE in the mix?

Davis is a threat any time he goes out but he is not good at the typical routes the WCO TE runs.

Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 9496452)

they need a TE because their BACK UP PART TIME TE JUST WENT OUT AND GOT OVERPAID BY A CRAPPY TEAM

thats how good the 49ers are, the guys playing part time with their stars can go out on the market and get themselves a nice little payday, and thus the 49ers need to round off depth at TE behind Vernon Davis. It happens when a team wins, a bad team wants to overpay for any player that comes off that team.

see Delanie Walker, Dashon Goldson, Issac Soapaga, Ricky Jean Francois

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 9496163)

Who is suggesting that the team would win a SB next year or the year after?

Everyone realizes that it will take multiple years for this team to contend because there are holes on the roster that can't be fixed by 2nd and 3rd tier FAs.

We should be laying the foundation for the future of the team now, and that foundation comes from drafting and developing a QB. As he develops, you fill the holes. Once he's ready the team is as well.

They are parallel growth lines.

Originally Posted by NotASFHippy (Post 9496369)

Hi KC fans. This is long, but I feel it would be irresponsible for me not to give you a fair warning to your eminent horizon.

Let me preface by saying I'm a Niners fan but I got no beef with your team. Anyone that gets to smack around the raiders (the absolute lowest common denominator of humanity) is OK in my book. You may read that oakland is in a state of revival, that's bull*** - it's always been a s***hole and always will be.

If you're reading this, the Alex Smith trade has gone through.

I post to you with an olive branch in my hand - I'm here only to let you know what your in for.

First things first, Alex Smith is great guy. If he weren't he would have been booted from our team half a decade ago. He is the epitome of class, the nonpareil of locker room integrity, he's dedicated- to the team, to his family and to his community. He always says the right things. Were a bildungsroman to be written of a young man destined for the trials and tribulations of the NFL, Alex Smith is the poster child. He's the kind of dude you want your daughter to marry.

He's also very smart. His wonderlic was very high. He did very well at a mediocre school. I'm not sure what that means. Marino is as dumb as a doorknob, and Joe isn't renown for his intellectual prowess. Stephen Hawking is incredibly smart, but I don't think I'd want him quarterbacking my team (but then again, he knows more than I, so if he could figure out a way to pull it off and win- rock and roll Stevo).

Please KC, don't get mad at the player. I can confidently say that Alex Smith will do everything in his power to bring success to your organization.

The problem is Alex isn't coming to KC to chill, hang out and eat BBQ (of which I'm personally jealous, there's little real BBQ in SF - there's wanna-be- but no real-deal). He's coming out to lead your football team.

KC, you have acquired an enigma.

Is he great? No. Is he really good? Nobody really knows. Has he had moments of greatness? Yes! Are those moments rare? Yes. Can he win a big game? Yes! Can he lose an even bigger game? Yes.

What is he really good at? Well, he's an incredibly conservative passer, he can take a sack better than any QB I've ever seen, and his presence divides a fanbase more than anything I've ever witnessed (I went through the Joe vs. Steve debacle and it was dark, but nothing near the acrimony associated with the AS debate(maybe thats got something to do with the internet or something, IDK)).

There are essentially three camps of folks when it comes to Alex Smith. The Haters (those who believe the dude is a junk QB and whose success is completely dependent on the system and will spare no expense to trash the guy). The 49er Fans (those who care more about the team than any individual player(s) and want everyone to do well). And the Fanboys, a.k.a. the Alex Supporters (a term I find funny b/c when I played sports a supporter referred to something specific that I would personally not want to be associated with).

The Haters were predictable- they were mad for myriad reasons. They would constantly lament at the fact that Smith wasn't Rodgers, took too long in his reads, couldn't hit a receiver in stride, would regularly pass for 5 yards on 3rd and 6, enjoyed throwing the ball above-below-behind a receiver (essentially everywhere except where a proper pass should land), would take a sack rather risk an incompletion, stared down his receivers, had a predilection for check-downs even when folks were wide open downfield, a penchant for getting coaches fired, rarely scanned deeper than 10 yards, became anomic when rattled, had a slow release and a mediocre arm, and has been given more chances than Carter had pills.

The Fans were just happy that the team was finally achieving some success after almost two decades of the suck and could really care less who the QB was as long as we were doing well. A polka-dotted rainbow-skinned hermaphroditic sheep could be the QB and as long as we were winning, we really wouldn't care.

And then there are the Fanboys - a breed upon themselves. They come multiple forms, oldman Fanboys, english Fanboys, juicy Fanboys, Never-Seen-Any-Other QB-play Fanboys. They exhibit a dedication to and fascination of Alex Smith that transcends logic, reason, and accountability. In their mind Smith is incapable of doing anything wrong - he is the unfortunate recipient of bad coaches, players, luck, fans, weather, hell - they've blamed gravity on his low passes. Their favorite stat is Alex's completion percentage (which they consistently confuse with accuracy). In their mind there is no difference between a crappy pass that requires a WR to stop/wait/ or make some otherwise awkward motion and throwing to a receiver so that he can make a play. In their mind Alex came into the league a HOF QB that was held back only by circumstances outside of his purview.

Fanboys also like to use stats to prove Alex Smith is a good/great QB. Has he gotten better? Absolutely. But, it's also like comparing a fresh turd with a 5 year old turd. (Obviously the 5 year old turd isn't as ripe and juicy, and will (in most people's eyes) be a better turd due to it's lack of offense. But, pardon the tautology, poop is still poop (petrified or not). It took a guru to turn the poop into something serviceable). After Kap started playing, Fanboys loved to "prove" that AS was still a superior QB because of his stats. Fanboys went so far to say that AS was a better QB than Manning and Rodgers (if you looked at the stats). Cocaine is a hell'uva drug. So is Alex Smith love.

(An excellent example of this type of blind love is continually exhibited by a particular moderator of a popular 49er fanzone who will ban or warn any poster who says anything critical of his beloved QB, or failing that, shut down any post that doesn't attempt to paste AS in the best light (which are all of them). Don't take my word for it look for yourselves - don't let it happen to your sites).

So, where does that leave you. Look. First things first, Smith is a great guy, maybe one of the greatest. Second, he's a decent QB - I'm not sure of how many training camp QB competitions he's won when the HC didn't load the deck, but he's definitely better now than he was 7 years ago. Third, you got Reid and Reid has a good history with QBs (and I'm sorry, but I can't help this, Reid (lest anyone forgot) is also a descendant of the 49ers). Smith would have never been successful without Harbaugh, and I do think he won't regress markedly under AR. In fact the greatest thing Smith did for the Niners was play just well/poorly enough to where we could acquire Harbaugh. Fourth, it's widely documented that it takes AS 3 years to learn a system- hopefully this isn't true.

He will make brilliant plays, but his inaccuracy will piss off Bowe - we've never had a receiver of the same caliber under AS's tenure, and there has still been a ton of grumbling over the years. But he will also redeem himself in certain circumstances in certain periods of time. He CAN make all the throws, but everything needs to be perfect. He won't rock the ship. He's good enough to always have hope.

I also want to say that his last game vs. the Cards was excellent. It was in, in my mind, his finest game ever. I know the Saints comeback was great, as were a few others, but his last game was by far his most consistent play I have ever seen. At no point did he slump, he finally did hit receivers in stride, stared off DBs, had complete command of the huddle and line-calls, and generally went out and kicked ass. If you guys are getting that Alex Smith you're gonna be stoked. Insofar as it was his last game and last metric to go by, you should have hope. But also beware that for every good game he's put together, there is a stinker waiting around the corner.

I leave you with this. Stay strong, Stay united. You guys have been through a rough year (I feel your pain, we had the same record a few years ago). Call to reason any fan that starts to skew in one direction or the other. Keep dialogue open and beware of powers that want to sway the conversation in one direction or the other. Also beware of moderators who don't believe in the freedom of speech unless it correlates with their own particular universe of reality.

Lastly, if you do see Alex around town- give him your best because you can be confident he's going to do the same for you.

Good luck and Kick the Life out of oak!

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9497010)

So Joekel hasn't played a single down in the NFL and he is now a lockdown for the next 10 years?

He's got the same odds at Busting that every other player does.... 50%.
Either he's good, or he's not.

I'd rather take that chance on a QB.

Originally Posted by jd34 (Post 9497341)

There is always a chance on every player selected. However, Joekel has also been called as on the same level as Joe Thomas, and he has turned out rather well. I don't recall any recent mocks that show Geno Smith as the #1 overall pick. Joekel is the consensus #1 in most drafts, and that is even after Albert being settled for the year.

EDIT: Just for drill, I checked the mocks at NFL.com. They have 12 different guys putting up mocks post-combine and before the Alex Smith trade was "unofficially" announced. 10 of those 12, including both Brian Billick and Charley Casserly, picked Joekel as the Chiefs #1 overall pick and the other two picked Eric Fisher. Therefore I would suggest Joekel is a pretty safe pick. Of course that was before Albert was settled but with so many good teams with TWO good edge pass rushers a team that expects to do good business on offense needs a very good OT on both ends of the line. So whether that means just protecting the QB or getting a speedy RB outside, very good OTs are a necessity.

Originally Posted by Thufir (Post 9497729)

Here's the thing, alex will be prepared and he will make damn sure the other guys know where to be on every play. He spends his own money on camps for the offense and will learn the playbook inside and out. He will have chemestry from the get go with his recievers. He is going to be playing with a huge chip on his shoulders and he knows how to read defenses very well. This is going to be fun to watch. Sure, he will have some bad games but every QB does. He's good enought to win a SB I think and in the end, that's all that matters. He's steady, smart, and wants to win. He will be a force to be reckoned with. Mark my words.

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 9497811)

The Chiefs have shown their hand and gone all in on Alex Smith and gone out and overspent on Chase Daniel.