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splatbass 07-20-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9823827)
Dude has 153,000+ posts. No way he can survive being away from here for a year. He will not honor the bet, break it at some point, or post under a mult. You are hoping for something that won't happen.

Plus he's a dishonest POS.

chiefzilla1501 07-20-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824079)
Most teams have been running the read option out of the shotgun and you come straight downhill when you do it, and you're always going to be reading either a DE or OLB depending on scheme.

I don't personally think the read option has a place in the NFL because defensive players are fast enough to disrupt the mesh point thus rendering it useless.

And if you want to effectively run the OPTION out of it, you have to have a mobile QB to render it effective. I think Smith is mobile enough, but I don't think it's a good idea.

Most teams run a spread option with an east-west running game. The Pistol runs north/south and as a pure running game in itself, is arguably a better running attack because it's so hard for the defender to predict where the play is going. That in itself makes the pistol worth it.

We will have to see if NFL defenses are much quicker. We'll see if you truly need a very mobile QB to run it. I don't think you do. I think the modern pistol has enough variations and bluffs that defenses can't get caught cheating. It's not like a typical read option. Again, I don't think we should be modeling after other teams like Seattle. SF seems to have the most progressive vision of the pistol and it features arguably one of the most innovative running attacks in the game. I look at the moves the Chiefs made and can't help but think this is where they are going.

DeezNutz 07-20-2013 07:44 PM

Pick 34 often isn't much different from pick 21 since a "deep draft" might have 20 legit first-round selections. Then, you're often looking at comparable selections from 20-40ish.

Chiefs Pantalones 07-20-2013 07:45 PM

@evansilva: Geno Smith was "uneven" at OTAs, "didn't wow anyone," struggled with "basic skills" like snap count&huddle presence: http://t.co/REuKEpwR1g

O.city 07-20-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9824098)
Most teams run a spread option with an east-west running game. The Pistol runs north/south and as a pure running game in itself, is arguably a better running attack because it's so hard for the defender to predict where the play is going. That in itself makes the pistol worth it.

We will have to see if NFL defenses are much quicker. We'll see if you truly need a very mobile QB to run it. I don't think you do. I think the modern pistol has enough variations and bluffs that defenses can't get caught cheating. It's not like a typical read option. Again, I don't think we should be modeling after other teams like Seattle. SF seems to have the most progressive vision of the pistol and it features arguably one of the most innovative running attacks in the game. I look at the moves the Chiefs made and can't help but think this is where they are going.

You dont' really run the spread option east west, tahts more hte old style of Nebraska type option.

When you run the option out of the shotgun as most teams who run the spread do, it's a downhill attack. Same thing as other option attacks, when you run the option, due to the formation and optioning players, you're going to have to leave a guy unblocked. In the NFL, I'm not a fan of that. There are ways QB's are taught to lessen blows when runnign the option, but being someone who just ran the spread option in high school from teh QB spot, meh, there really isn't any way around it.

How can you not think NFL defenses are much quicker?

ShortRoundChief 07-20-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 9824102)
@evansilva: Geno Smith was "uneven" at OTAs, "didn't wow anyone," struggled with "basic skills" like snap count&huddle presence: http://t.co/REuKEpwR1g

QBOTF!!!!

CoMoChief 07-20-2013 07:51 PM

Too bad we drafted that Braden Wilson guy instead of taking FB Shawn Asiata.

He's gonna be the best FB in the NFL in a few seasons. Guy's a god damn beast, and can also get outside and catch out of the backfield a little bit.

DeezNutz 07-20-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 9824118)
QBOTF!!!!

Yep. Dude has been analyzing fantasy football since '05, so I'm convinced.

O.city 07-20-2013 07:52 PM

Just running the option, from a QB perspective, you take so many hits. Not all monster shots, but just, well, hits.

Being that Alex Smith has a history of concussions, I don't like the idea of running the option.

DeezNutz 07-20-2013 07:53 PM

And I'm going to assume that no one is going to reference Russell Wilson again, while discounting the importance of second-round picks.

splatbass 07-20-2013 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824055)
Yeah it doesn't matter who they get or what moves they make, their the right moves because the Chiefs made them and they aren't to be questioned.

That is NOT what I said at all, and you know it. Dishonesty doesn't look good on you.

O.city 07-20-2013 07:55 PM

Also, I do agree with Dane that 2 second round picks isn't too much to give up if Smith is what they hope/think he is.


But, 2nd rounders are still extremely valuable picks.

O.city 07-20-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 9824128)
That is NOT what I said at all, and you know it. Dishonesty doesn't look good on you.

I know it isnt' what you said. I was paraphrasing what you were thinking.

DaneMcCloud 07-20-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9824126)
And I'm going to assume that no one is going to reference Russell Wilson again, while discounting the importance of second-round picks.

No one is discounting them.

But there is conclusive data that suggests that the Chiefs haven't been able to identify long term, contributing players for more than 20 decades in the second round.

I think it's safe to say that Alex Smith is better than Mike Elkins.

DaneMcCloud 07-20-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9824136)
Also, I do agree with Dane that 2 second round picks isn't too much to give up if Smith is what they hope/think he is.


But, 2nd rounders are still extremely valuable picks.

They're only valuable if you hit.


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