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Pasta Little Brioni 06-15-2014 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692226)
I don't see anyone giving Flowers a pass for playing hurt most of the year.

Here come those double standards I was talking about earlier...

I have said that it's a bigger loss than people are trying to sell.

TEX 06-15-2014 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball (Post 10692234)
I have said that it's a bigger loss than people are trying to sell.

Im in this camp as well. Some of us did say that he played hurt all year and expect him to be in 2012 form. However, he will probably get banged up again this season. IMO, the Chiefs cut him a year too soon but I understand the economics of the situation. Its also better to drop a player a year early than a year late.

TEX 06-15-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 10692227)
good pass rush is useless with some of these QBs that have a quick releases against shitty pass coverage.

see: Colts-Chiefs playoff game RE: Andrew Luck scoring touchdowns in 30 second drives

True. Made even worse once Flowers went down...

milkman 06-15-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10692215)
I'd still rather have a decent pass rusher than a decent corner. If you're not getting pressure it really doesn't matter how great your corners are. And right now Flowers isn't close to great.
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Years ago, I would have been right there with you.

I did, in fact, argue that pass rushers, and the front 7 in general, was far more valuable than the secondary.

However, as the league has evolved into a passing league, what it has also evolved into is a yac lead.

2700 of Peyton Manning's 5500 passing yards came on yac.
Only 3 teams gained fewer than 1500 yards of yac.

That means that teams are getting the ball out quicker.

If your secondary doesn't makes stops after the catch, then you can kiss any chance of getting to the QB goodbye.

Seattle's defensive domination of the Donkeys illustrated that.

Seattle's pass rush came into play only after the Seahawks secondary shut down yac and forced Manning to start looking for bigger plays through the air, thus holding the ball for that second longer.

Rausch 06-15-2014 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692192)
By waiting until June 1, they can spread the cap hit over two seasons instead of absorbing it all this season.

I thought we were saving 7 of his 9 mil.

Are we really that worried about spreading 2 mil over 2 years?...

OnTheWarpath15 06-15-2014 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10692241)
Years ago, I would have been right there with you.

I did, in fact, argue that pass rushers, and the front 7 in general, was far more valuable than the secondary.

However, as the league has evolved into a passing league, what it has also evolved into is a yac lead.

2700 of Peyton Manning's 5500 passing yards came on yac.
Only 3 teams gained fewer than 1500 yards of yac.

That means that teams are getting the ball out quicker.

If your secondary doesn't makes stops after the catch, then you can kiss any chance of getting to the QB goodbye.

Seattle's defensive domination of the Donkeys illustrated that.

Seattle's pass rush came into play only after the Seahawks secondary shut down yac and forced Manning to start looking for bigger plays through the air, thus holding the ball for that second longer.

Rep.

OnTheWarpath15 06-15-2014 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10692242)
I thought we were saving 7 of his 9 mil.

Are we really that worried about spreading 2 mil over 2 years?...

I haven't looked at the particulars, just pointing out why teams generally wait until June.

-King- 06-15-2014 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10692226)
I don't see anyone giving Flowers a pass for playing hurt most of the year.

Here come those double standards I was talking about earlier...

Why do you think there's a double standard? I'm confused? Do you think people hate Flowers or something?

One player played well for a good chunk of the year last year and one only played well for 1 game. Flowers has been dealing with lingering injuries for 2 years now and isin a ddefense that's asking him to be more physical than he usually is and do things that even he didn't/doesn't want to do.
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milkman 06-15-2014 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10692257)
Why do you think there's a double standard? I'm confused? Do you think people hate Flowers or something?

One player played well for a good chunk of the year last year and one only played well for 1 game. Flowers has been dealing with lingering injuries for 2 years now and is in a defense that's asking him to be more physical than he usually is and do things that even he didn't/doesn't want to do.
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Are you serious?

BTW, FYP for clarity' sake.

TEX 06-15-2014 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10692242)
I thought we were saving 7 of his 9 mil.

Are we really that worried about spreading 2 mil over 2 years?...

When I first heard the news I wondered the same thing....However, King pointed out that it was the only way to save the $7MIL THIS season. I didnt do the research but that appears to be the deal.

-King- 06-15-2014 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10692259)
Are you serious?

BTW, FYP for clarity' sake.

He isn't being asked to be more physical? He has to play press more. He has to tackle more seeing as he'll be left alone by himself more often. He had 20 more tackles last year than he had any other year of his career. I don't think that's a fluke.
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RunKC 06-15-2014 08:37 AM

If Gaines is a stud it won't matter. Time to find out if Dorsey is as good as advertised.

Micjones 06-15-2014 08:38 AM

Chris Owens is a player of similar size and stature.
He's a good nickle corner who'll also contribute on special teams.
Owens is also slated to make less than a million dollars in 2014.

Trading Flowers was great in theory, but no one wanted that contract.
It's unfortunate, but there's not much else the front office could do.
Flowers isn't a press-man corner anyway. /theend

milkman 06-15-2014 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10692264)
He isn't being asked to be more physical? He has to play press more. He has to tackle more seeing as he'll be left alone by himself more often. He had 20 more tackles last year than he had any other year of his career. I don't think that's a fluke.
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He is put in a position that he hasn't been in prior to last year, but he's been one of the most phyical corners in the league during his career.

TEX 06-15-2014 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10692241)
Years ago, I would have been right there with you.

I did, in fact, argue that pass rushers, and the front 7 in general, was far more valuable than the secondary.

However, as the league has evolved into a passing league, what it has also evolved into is a yac lead.

2700 of Peyton Manning's 5500 passing yards came on yac.
Only 3 teams gained fewer than 1500 yards of yac.

That means that teams are getting the ball out quicker.

If your secondary doesn't makes stops after the catch, then you can kiss any chance of getting to the QB goodbye.

Seattle's defensive domination of the Donkeys illustrated that.

Seattle's pass rush came into play only after the Seahawks secondary shut down yac and forced Manning to start looking for bigger plays through the air, thus holding the ball for that second longer.

:clap: This is exactly the case now. Both aspects are important, however their weighted importance has shifted with the evolution of the short passing game and supporting rule modifications.


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