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Reerun_KC 01-01-2015 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11233857)
In Andy's last year in Philly, a rookie Nick Foles threw 27 passes over 21 yards IN THE AIR (not total gain...per espn splits) out of 265 throws. That's just about 1 out of every 10 throws was over 20 yards.

This year, Alex Smith only threw 18 total passes over 20 yards in the air (again, from espn splits) out of 465 throws. That's only 1 out of 26 passes.

You can't sit back and put that on Andy Reid...
Absolutely I can and will continue to do so until Reid takes away the easy dump offs, check downs and short 3 yard crossing routes.

Until Reid forces Smith to go all 90's Raiders, it will always be Reid's fault for giving Smith the keys to the easy horizontal offense.

Hey Daniels did the same damn thing in the Chargers game... Short dumps, - 5 yard passes, sacks in the redzone, etc....

That's coaching, not the players.

Reerun_KC 01-01-2015 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11233913)
You're hilarious!
He might be funny, but Nicklebacking your sister is pretty ****ing sick dude...

BossChief 01-01-2015 12:49 PM
As a rookie in Andy Reid's offense, Foles only threw 64% of his passes within 10 yards in the air from the line of scrimmage. That's with him learning one of the biggest playbooks in pro sports, leading the team and playing a tough schedule. Mind you, the guy had Shady McCoy to dump the ball off and had enough balls and confidence in his ability to forego the low hanging fruit and go for the chunk yards to put points on the board.

Last year, Alex Smith threw 80% of his passes 10 yards in the air or less. That's in his second year in the system with plenty of guys to throw to that have just as much speed as they had in Philly. DAT, Wilson, Kelce, Charles and Davis are all speed burners.

Id bet anything that if we had Foles instead of Smith last year, it would have helped this OL a lot as would have forced teams to defend the whole field...not just 10 yards of it.

BossChief 01-01-2015 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11233921)
Absolutely I can and will continue to do so until Reid takes away the easy dump offs, check downs and short 3 yard crossing routes.

Until Reid forces Smith to go all 90's Raiders, it will always be Reid's fault for giving Smith the keys to the easy horizontal offense.

Hey Daniels did the same damn thing in the Chargers game... Short dumps, - 5 yard passes, sacks in the redzone, etc....

That's coaching, not the players.
:facepalm:

Andy isn't out there throwing the passes, dude.

And Chase wasn't much better, but if you couldn't tell that he was trying to push the ball and throw into tighter windows...nobody can help you.

IMO, I'd like to see them draft a quarterback in the first 3 rounds that can sit 1-2 years before taking the job from Alex if he doesn't improve at forcing defenses to defend the whole field.

If they don't make a significant investment at the position, I won't be convinced that they are gonna be relentless at actually trying to win a title during Andy Reid's tenure.

Pablo 01-01-2015 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 11232987)
Thank you!
Please tell me you haven't bred either.

rabblerouser 01-01-2015 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 11233921)
Absolutely I can and will continue to do so until Reid takes away the easy dump offs, check downs and short 3 yard crossing routes.

Until Reid forces Smith to go all 90's Raiders, it will always be Reid's fault for giving Smith the keys to the easy horizontal offense.

Hey Daniels did the same damn thing in the Chargers game... Short dumps, - 5 yard passes, sacks in the redzone, etc....

That's coaching, not the players.
Truth.

Hoopsdoc 01-01-2015 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11232194)
In what world do the Colts have less talent on offense than the Chiefs?

???

Why is it, with that offense, it's ok for Luck to turn the ball over as many times as he did?

The Colts lost to all 4 elite teams they played in lopsided games.

Andrew Luck is not yet elite. And I'm tired of hearing he is and I'm tired of him getting excuses.

HE HAD 24 TURNOVERS THIS YEAR.

24.

He plays in the worst division in the AFC.

His stats are bloated because half of his games came against shit competition (20:2 against the shittiest teams on his schedule), and the other half of his games the games were so lopsided he played catch up and amassed a shit ton of yards and garbage TD's against prevent defense (see Denver, New England, Pitt).

They freaking kept him in against NE for no reason other than so he could extend his streak of 300+ yard passing games. It was a joke.

Stop quoting his stats as why he's elite. His stats are bloated and non-representative of the year he truly had.

He was arguably better as a rookie than he was this year.
The Colts have used 10 different O-line combinations in 16 games. 10. The Indy line is pathetic, IMO, one of the worst in the league. That problem was exacerbated when Bradshaw, their best pass catcher, went down for the year.

They have NO running game, at all. Against Dallas they ran it 10 times for 1 yard. TRich is slower than Andy Reid and Herron is a 3rd stringer, at best.

If the Colts are going to win this year, Andrew Luck HAS to carry them.

Now, having said all that, I do agree that he's regressed some this year. But only because he's trying to do to much. He's trying to hang on that one extra second when he doesn't have the time b/c of that horrific line.

Hammock Parties 01-01-2015 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoopsdoc (Post 11234164)
If the Colts are going to win this year, Andrew Luck HAS to carry them.

Now, having said all that, I do agree that he's regressed some this year.
LMAO

40 TDs

"regressed"

LMAO

I would LOVE to see this board's reaction if Alex Smith carried the Chiefs to 11-5.

Hootie 01-01-2015 02:14 PM
already broke this down for you, Clay

not my fault you want to plug your ears and make noise

Discuss Thrower 01-01-2015 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11233960)
:facepalm:

Andy isn't out there throwing the passes, dude.

And Chase wasn't much better, but if you couldn't tell that he was trying to push the ball and throw into tighter windows...nobody can help you.

IMO, I'd like to see them draft a quarterback in the first 3 rounds that can sit 1-2 years before taking the job from Alex if he doesn't improve at forcing defenses to defend the whole field.

If they don't make a significant investment at the position, I won't be convinced that they are gonna be relentless at actually trying to win a title during Andy Reid's tenure.
Have to believe they are planning on Bray or Murray in developing as a starter.

Hammock Parties 01-01-2015 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11234268)
already broke this down for you, Clay

not my fault you want to plug your ears and make noise
Andrew Luck is headed to the HOF and you're sitting here talking shit.

lol @ you

Hoopsdoc 01-01-2015 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Count Alex's Losses (Post 11234186)
LMAO

40 TDs

"regressed"

LMAO

I would LOVE to see this board's reaction if Alex Smith carried the Chiefs to 11-5.
Hey, I'm a Colts fan calling it like I see it.

I think Luck is an elite qb already. I also happen to think he's regressed some this year, mainly in the area of turnovers.

Hootie 01-01-2015 02:18 PM
he certainly has hall of fame potential, no one has said otherwise

he had a mediocre year this year; there is really no other way to spin it

Andrew Luck was mediocre this year. Probably the 10th best QB this year.

Hammock Parties 01-01-2015 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11234294)
Andrew Luck was mediocre this year.
LMAO

Well, I guess I'm never going to call Alex mediocre ever again.

Hoopsdoc 01-01-2015 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11234294)
he certainly has hall of fame potential, no one has said otherwise

he had a mediocre year this year; there is really no other way to spin it

Andrew Luck was mediocre this year. Probably the 10th best QB this year.
Nah, he led the league in td passes. Colts have the number one passing offense in the league with a sieve of an offensive line and no running game. That's not mediocre.

Lucks problem this year is his misplaced faith in the offensive line.


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