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Saul Good 11-18-2015 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 11891911)
They were referencing a recent Tom Verducci article from SI.

The numbers were pretty amazing. There's almost no point in ever signing a player over 30 to a big (or even medium) sized deal of more than a year or two.

Prison Bitch 11-18-2015 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11892054)
The numbers were pretty amazing. There's almost no point in ever signing a player over 30 to a big (or even medium) sized deal of more than a year or two.

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duncan_idaho 11-18-2015 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11892054)
The numbers were pretty amazing. There's almost no point in ever signing a player over 30 to a big (or even medium) sized deal of more than a year or two.

This is interesting. I see two things happening in the future:

1) Older players become a new "moneyball" lens, as teams stop spending on them, to the point of them becoming an undervalued asset.

2) MLB does something with the CBA to change the arbitration rules and get more money to players in their prime years, when still under team control. If teams stop spending on vets, the players will push for either shorter periods of team control, or more lucrative arbitration awards, so that guys who get to arbitration late do not get punished when reaching FA at 30+ and having no one willing to pay them.

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-18-2015 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 11892052)
That is hilariously laughable...

Dombrowski that high? really?

KevB 11-18-2015 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 11892052)
That is hilariously laughable...

Maybe if they make a movie about Dayton, with the emphasis on his valuing of defense and bullpen, he'll get more credit. Maybe have Matt Damon play the lead role.

Is he the best GM? Who knows, probably not. But based on the last three years, he should obviously be higher than 9/10/11.

duncan_idaho 11-18-2015 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 11892052)
That is hilariously laughable...

List is bad.

Far too rewarding to guys like Cashman (who has done little despite having the most advantages of any team in baseball for most of his tenure) and Dombrowski (who can be a great short-term GM but has a tendency to leave behind cratered programs.

Prison Bitch 11-18-2015 12:36 PM

Steamer projections as of today (no Gordon, Zo or Cueto):

Cleve 85
KC 77
Twins 77
Sux 77
Tiggers 75

We get almost nothing from 2B-RF-LF. If you played Colon-Zobrist-Gordon, Steamer would add 10 full wins and hence the division.

WhawhaWhat 11-18-2015 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11892286)
Steamer projections as of today (no Gordon, Zo or Cueto):

Cleve 85
KC 77
Twins 77
Sux 77
Tiggers 75

We get almost nothing from 2B-RF-LF. If you played Colon-Zobrist-Gordon, Steamer would add 10 full wins and hence the division.

Are you a fan of the Cleveland Streamer projection?

Saul Good 11-18-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11892286)
Steamer projections as of today (no Gordon, Zo or Cueto):

Cleve 85
KC 77
Twins 77
Sux 77
Tiggers 75

We get almost nothing from 2B-RF-LF. If you played Colon-Zobrist-Gordon, Steamer would add 10 full wins and hence the division.

Would that bring down Cleveland's projection as well?

Prison Bitch 11-18-2015 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11892299)
Would that bring down Cleveland's projection as well?

Not sure, it's continuously updated thru the offseason. But if you're asking whether the league avg is always 81 wins, the answer is of course.

duncan_idaho 11-18-2015 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 11892286)
Steamer projections as of today (no Gordon, Zo or Cueto):

Cleve 85
KC 77
Twins 77
Sux 77
Tiggers 75

We get almost nothing from 2B-RF-LF. If you played Colon-Zobrist-Gordon, Steamer would add 10 full wins and hence the division.

No real point in placing stock in these until each team has set the roster, but it is once again demonstrative of how much projection systems love certain profiles.

That Cleveland number is rather silly, considering the holes that team still has.

ChiTown 11-18-2015 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11892263)
List is bad.

Far too rewarding to guys like Cashman (who has done little despite having the most advantages of any team in baseball for most of his tenure) and Dombrowski (who can be a great short-term GM but has a tendency to leave behind cratered programs.


No shit. Here's their job.....

1. Blank Checks - you fill out the amount you need

2. Repeat Step 1 as often as you deem necessary.

KChiefs1 11-18-2015 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11891900)
Was anyone listening to sports radio in KC this morning? I heard someone on 610 I think say that there were only something like 45 players on major league rosters last year over the age of 30 who could be considered productive players.

Did anyone else hear that? I'm trying to dig into that a bit, but I'm not sure I heard it right.


http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/11/17/fre...e-johnny-cueto

WhawhaWhat 11-18-2015 03:24 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: O’Day asking for four-year deal in $28M to $36M range. Most accomplished reliever on open market.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/667050198674382848">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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DeepSouth 11-18-2015 03:31 PM

What is Soria worth these days. The Royals already have their 7th, 8th, and 9th guys in Hoch, Hearra, and Davis.


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