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htismaqe 05-03-2019 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Iczer (Post 14250322)
We're not in Hill's situation. Did Hill or his fiance think it'd get this far? Have they fallen out since this went down? Did he realize she was recording conversations in a public area where he most likely just wanted to end it so it didn't cause a scene? Is he now releasing more evidence because it was not previously needed and now is trying to clear his name since everyone is characterizing him as some child abuser?
When your subject of interest in a criminal investigation, ALL evidence is relevant. There is no such thing as "well, I'm going to hold onto it because it isn't needed."

That's universal. I don't have to be in Hill's situation to know you don't withhold information from law enforcement during an active investigation.

htismaqe 05-03-2019 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Iczer (Post 14250315)
Only thing is all of the "facts" were not out there before everyone was crucifying Hill. I'm not waiting for facts to clear Hill, I'm waiting for facts to PROVE SOMETHING.

This is what I know, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Hill was not home when he saw on his camera that his fiance was passed out with his kid running around.

The broken arm was investigated and determined that it was caused by an accident and NOT by abuse.

Text messages have been authenticated as real(I'm sure we'll see more into this).
The text messages were authenticated by a forensics expert hired by Hill's lawyers. You and I may want to believe they are true but it doesn't matter what we think. You can be sure others will weigh in on them. Until the DA or similar 2nd party comes out and agrees with the authentication, they're not authentic. It doesn't work that way.

Iczer 05-03-2019 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14250329)
When your subject of interest in a criminal investigation, ALL evidence is relevant. There is no such thing as "well, I'm going to hold onto it because it isn't needed."

That's universal. I don't have to be in Hill's situation to know you don't withhold information from law enforcement during an active investigation.
You're making assumptions that the investigators asked all the right questions and insinuating he purposely withheld evidence. Do you have anything to back this up? Could it not be his team is still working with him to find more evidence due to the case rumored to be re-opened? His name being further dragged in the dirt and ultimately taking away what could have been a massive contract

htismaqe 05-03-2019 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14250314)
This isn't going to court. ROFL
It absolutely will go to civil court. In fact, it's already IN family court.

There's more to this than criminal allegations.

Iczer 05-03-2019 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14250332)
The text messages were authenticated by a forensics expert hired by Hill's lawyers. You and I may want to believe they are true but it doesn't matter what we think. You can be sure others will weigh in on them. Until the DA or similar 2nd party comes out and agrees with the authentication, they're not authentic. It doesn't work that way.
I agree, if he truly has months worth of texts like they say. It should be pretty easy to authenticate them based on previous conversations, how they talk, etc.

htismaqe 05-03-2019 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Iczer (Post 14250333)
You're making assumptions that the investigators asked all the right questions and insinuating he purposely withheld evidence. Do you have anything to back this up? Could it not be his team is still working with him to find more evidence due to the case rumored to be re-opened?
I've said all along that I'm making that assumption. That's why I've used words like "could" and "possibly".

The only difference between my assumption and the people assuming he's innocent is that I actually admit the following:

ALL of it is assumption. We literally don't know anything. Still.

Iczer 05-03-2019 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14250343)
I've said all along that I'm making that assumption. That's why I've used words like "could" and "possibly".

The only difference between my assumption and the people assuming he's innocent is that I actually admit the following:

ALL of it is assumption. We literally don't know anything. Still.
I disagree, there are plenty of facts about this case that if known from the beginning could have changed public perception of Hill. Media sensationalizing headlines about a passed out women, etc.

Hill was not present at home when she was passed out.

The broken arm was deemed an accident and not by abuse.

Two big facts there.

GloryDayz 05-03-2019 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14250283)
A company paid by the defense to analyze forensics data isn't independent. That's not how things work, dude.
^^^ Says this stupid shit, but has the noose tied for Tyreek because of unverified audio tapes manufactured by the crazy bitch ^^^

LMAO

htismaqe 05-03-2019 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 14250399)
^^^ Says this stupid shit, but has the noose tied for Tyreek because of unverified audio tapes manufactured by the crazy bitch ^^^

LMAO
False.

Hammock Parties 05-03-2019 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Iczer (Post 14250364)
Media sensationalizing headlines about a passed out women, etc.

Hill was not present at home when she was passed out.
Crystal passed out? TYREEK MUST HAVE DONE IT!!!!

And most people fell for that shit. Myself included.

**** 'em.

htismaqe 05-03-2019 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 14250411)
Crystal passed out? TYREEK MUST HAVE DONE IT!!!!

And most people fell for that shit. Myself included.

**** 'em.
Honestly, I've been logged in so off and on the past few months, I'm not even sure what "passing out" incident you guys are talking about. :D

GloryDayz 05-03-2019 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 14250404)
False.
:spock:

Mecca 05-03-2019 10:05 AM
It could be worse...friend of mine wants him to hang so bad he's basically saying there aren't any text messages and the lawyer is lying because "that text is just typed" then he cites some lawyer that was on 610.

Hammock Parties 05-03-2019 10:14 AM
This is a witch hunt.

Tyreek is Trump, the broken arm is Russian collusion, him being a dick on tape is obstruction of justice.

And it's all bullshit.

htismaqe 05-03-2019 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 14250433)
:spock:
I never fitted Hill for noose. The only thing I said that comes even remotely close is that I thought he did it and hoped the Chiefs cut him if he did.

All along, my commentary has been more about the NFL and their ability to punish him, whether he committed a crime or not.

And that is still pretty likely to happen, BTW. Goodell is a power hungry jerk.


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